Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

And you seem to be admitting in an earlier post I WAS RIGHT, Brinson is a bust, and Harrison is on his way to Bustville too....

I'd say I am winning this one at the mo.....

At no point does “not having a great year” equate to being a bust. Brinsons floor is still a 1.5-2 war defensive star with a low OBP and AVG but 20-25 hr’s

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I'm just not sure if I would call the Caleb Smith/Garrett Cooper deal a trade or charity.

The guy we gave up in that deal on top of the IFA money is actully having a ridiculously good year in their sustem

[rmc523]

Again, it's too early to really judge, but I think the big folly with the Yelich deal was the need to deal him when they did. They could have played the waiting game with him like they did with Realmuto, and potentially gotten more. Or, they may have even been able to convince him to stay. The word we kept getting on his was that he was their opportunity to build the farm system, and they'd only move him for an overpay. What they got didn't seem like an overpay at the time, and looks worse right now. That could change, but currently it doesn't look good.

With Stanton, I think you could make a similar argument, and I said so at the time, but they apparently wanted to get the deal done. I think they could have called his bluff, but I guess that was never going to happen. At least the guys they got back have been promising.

I'm not sure I agree that they sold high on Ozuna. Yes, he's had a down year, but he's started to play much better lately, and it could be that he just had a slow start in a new location. Either way, I never thought they got the value he was worth even at his "height of value". Sierra looks like a 4th OF, Gallen eventually might be a back end of the rotation guy, and Alcantara has bee ok, but hardly the headliner you want for a perceived all-star.

I never had a problem with the Gordon trade. The return was fine there.

Yeah, I never understood the rush to trade Yelich with the deal he was on, and they seemed to like the Brewers offer. I agree that had they kept him, he'd have had the same (or better) value now, but, what's done is done.

[fish16]

Again, it's too early to really judge, but I think the big folly with the Yelich deal was the need to deal him when they did. They could have played the waiting game with him like they did with Realmuto, and potentially gotten more. Or, they may have even been able to convince him to stay. The word we kept getting on his was that he was their opportunity to build the farm system, and they'd only move him for an overpay. What they got didn't seem like an overpay at the time, and looks worse right now. That could change, but currently it doesn't look good.

With Stanton, I think you could make a similar argument, and I said so at the time, but they apparently wanted to get the deal done. I think they could have called his bluff, but I guess that was never going to happen. At least the guys they got back have been promising.

I'm not sure I agree that they sold high on Ozuna. Yes, he's had a down year, but he's started to play much better lately, and it could be that he just had a slow start in a new location. Either way, I never thought they got the value he was worth even at his "height of value". Sierra looks like a 4th OF, Gallen eventually might be a back end of the rotation guy, and Alcantara has bee ok, but hardly the headliner you want for a perceived all-star.

I never had a problem with the Gordon trade. The return was fine there.

Disagree on ozuna but that’s fine. I think he is a thoroughly above average but nothing special OF whose numbers were inflated based on the players around him in the lineup. Time will tell on the return though and pretty much all hinges on alcantara and how good he becomes and whether he can become that mid rotation guy or the reliever

I thought the yelich deal was a smart move at the time but in retrospect I wish we could have seen what we could have built with the pitching we now have combined with yelich and jt as our top hitters. Still think the deal will turn out well though not in terms of getting back a superstar but in terms of building really good hitting depth in the system with 3 guys who should be in our lineup until they become free agents

[rmc523]

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...44261779697665

Mish reporting we're getting AA reliever Tommy Eveld from the D-Backs.

[lou]

Those trades from last year are great examples of why you should always sell high on relievers on bad teams

Needs to be a cost/benefit there with price and service time. Ziegler and Barraclough are no brainers. Conley and Steckenrider could be two of your best five relievers in the organization in 2021 and 2022 easily. Just prevent them from getting a lot of saves right away and keep those costs down.

Honestly, if they move Ziegler and Barraclough, I'd let Ruckinski (turns 30 next year), Despaigne, Guerra, or someone like that get saves and see if you can waiver trade them in August, then sign a vagabond "Ziegler" type next year to keep getting saves and keep Steckenrider and Conley's theoretical arbitration numbers down. Or make Chen the closer (totally serious) and roll out Straily, Urena, Richards, Alcantara, Pablo, or if one of those first two are moved, add Peters or a "bullpen day." Just say no to saves on pre-arbitration arms.

[sports24/7]

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...44261779697665

Mish reporting we're getting AA reliever Tommy Eveld from the D-Backs.

Hopefully they also got IFA cash. He's not even one of their top 30 prospects.

[rmc523]

Heyman also reporting we're talking to teams about Dietrich and Bour.

[sports24/7]

Disagree on ozuna but that’s fine. I think he is a thoroughly above average but nothing special OF whose numbers were inflated based on the players around him in the lineup. Time will tell on the return though and pretty much all hinges on alcantara and how good he becomes and whether he can become that mid rotation guy or the reliever

I guess my point was that if they truly did sell high, the return value didn't match that his supposed high value. You're right on Alcantara, though. Hopefully he becomes at least a good #3, and the trade will be fine.

[fish16]

Eveld is a reliever with phenomenal numbers this year. Good bullpen piece to look out for moving forward and I’m positive we got some IFA cash as well

[lou]

Hopefully they also got IFA cash. He's not even one of their top 30 prospects.

Fangraphs honorably mentioned him outside their top 23 as a RP prospect - "Eveld is plus fastball, plus curve, average slider." He has good A+ stats this year (old for level) FWIW. Lee Stone is gonna love this guy.

I hope they got some IFA cash too. Seems appropriate.

[rmc523]

I guess my point was that if they truly did sell high, the return value didn't match that his supposed high value. You're right on Alcantara, though. Hopefully he becomes at least a good #3, and the trade will be fine.

Yeah, it seemed like they were stuck on the guys they wanted for Stanton, and then just made the deal for Ozuna instead.

[Nick]

I guess my point was that if they truly did sell high, the return value didn't match that his supposed high value. You're right on Alcantara, though. Hopefully he becomes at least a good #3, and the trade will be fine.

Agreed, if Alcantara becomes a 3 or better the trade is a win. I just really have no idea what he'll end up being at this point. If I had to put money on it right now I'd say reliever, and probably a pretty good one. Sierra is a 4th OF, hopefully I'm wrong, don't think I will be. Gallen is a back of the rotation guy at best, long-reliever at worst.

[tjfla]

Fangraphs honorably mentioned him outside their top 23 as a RP prospect - "Eveld is plus fastball, plus curve, average slider." He has good A+ stats this year (old for level) FWIW. Lee Stone is gonna love this guy.

I hope they got some IFA cash too. Seems appropriate.

Little old but very solid return. Has given up 0 Runs in July and is a Closer. Size of Steck and Almost as ugly as Wittgren!! HAHA

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...ching/2018/ALL

Scouting Report

http://baseballcensus.com/2018/05/24...outing-report/

[fauowls44]

Little old but very solid return. Has given up 0 Runs in July and is a Closer. Size of Steck and Almost as ugly as Wittgren!! HAHA

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...ching/2018/ALL

Return seems a little light...hoping that they got IFA cash included.

[Nick]

Eveld has impressive numbers, but I definitely think it's safe to say at this point that the reliever market was not all it was cracked up to be. My guess is Arizona is paying his contract and there is no IFA money involved.