Season Super Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

10 teams with the lowest walk totals in 2017: KC, Balt, CWS, SD, SF, Atl, Miami, Seattle, Phil, and Detroit.

[gustavopim]

Teams that walk the most score the most runs and win the most games. Juan Soto, age 19, walked three times yesterday in his second major league start. Why is that notable? Brinson has walked just once in the entire month of May! Dietrich twice! Same for Castro. I think that says a lot about the scoring-challenged Marlins. (This dilemma doesn't reflect well on the hitting coaches either).

When looking for help, assessing prospects, I think the Marlins should focus on plate discipline. Look at Dean and Ortega at New Orleans. They walk as much as they whiff. Note: John Shuck, for whom walking should be the first priority every time he steps up to the plate, has walked just three times in 70 plate appearances.

Doesn't matter how patient you are, if opposing pitchers are not throwing balls to you you're not going to walk. That is why DD, Castro, and Brinson are not walking. Pitchers are aggressive in the strike zone with them.

[Lee Stone]

Doesn't matter how patient you are, if opposing pitchers are not throwing balls to you you're not going to walk. That is why DD, Castro, and Brinson are not walking. Pitchers are aggressive in the strike zone with them.

We've merely seen the games differently. I see all three of them hacking at everything once they have two strikes. Down and in. Up and away. Everything.

[lou]

Sounds like a pretty complete list of top teams to me. Recognition of a single exception hardly renders the list "silly". It supports it.

There is this cool book you should read - https://www.amazon.com/Moneyball-Art.../dp/0393324818

It talks about market inefficiencies and how you can win baseball games in a lot of different ways by targeting players that are undervalued. That doesn't necessarily mean you must target guys who walk, although walks are a pretty good thing in general.

[Lee Stone]

There is this cool book you should read - https://www.amazon.com/Moneyball-Art.../dp/0393324818

It talks about market inefficiencies and how you can win baseball games in a lot of different ways by targeting players that are undervalued. That doesn't necessarily mean you must target guys who walk, although walks are a pretty good thing in general.

Career stats for Starlin Castro and Christian Yelich: Both average about 15 homers and 70 RBI with .280ish BA. One is considered quite valuable and the other not so much. The main difference? 35-40 walks a year. That results in Yelich having a .368 OBP vs. .320 for Castro.

Career avg. per 162 games for Carlos Santana: 25 HR, 85 RBI, and .243 BA. Logan Morrison: 23 HR, 72 RBI, and .243 BA. An additional 40 walks a year gave Santanta a .363 OBP, the reason Philly gave him such a large contract. (Morrison .330 OBP). Walks are extremely important. Note: Maybe Bour took note of Santana's contract at age 32 and has begun to model his batting approach accordingly.

[lou]

Career stats for Starlin Castro and Christian Yelich: Both average about 15 homers and 70 RBI with .280ish BA. One is considered quite valuable and the other not so much. The main difference? 35-40 walks a year. That results in Yelich having a .368 OBP vs. .320 for Castro.

Career avg. per 162 games for Carlos Santana: 25 HR, 85 RBI, and .243 BA. Logan Morrison: 23 HR, 72 RBI, and .243 BA. An additional 40 walks a year gave Santanta a .363 OBP, the reason Philly gave him such a large contract. (Morrison .330 OBP). Walks are extremely important. Note: Maybe Bour took note of Santana's contract at age 32 and has begun to model his batting approach accordingly.

Just going to cut/paste this as you missed it:

There is this cool book you should read - https://www.amazon.com/Moneyball-Art.../dp/0393324818

It talks about market inefficiencies and how you can win baseball games in a lot of different ways by targeting players that are undervalued. That doesn't necessarily mean you must target guys who walk, although walks are a pretty good thing in general.

[Lee Stone]

Thanks, I read five chapters since seeing your note.

[lou]

Thanks, I read five chapters since seeing your note.

This is great, or a great troll. Good work either way.

That being said, the point is you can be awesome many ways as a ball player, and it does not matter how you are awesome, it just matters that you are consistently awesome.

If you BB a lot? Cool. If you play defense like Simmons and Kiermaier? Cool. If you don't walk anyone (Mengden) and can survive with a low K rate because of it. Cool.

The Marlins just need good players, and it doesn't matter if they have a 7%/28% BB/K rate or not.

Which brings it full circle to Brinson - play elite defense, hit .225, jack 25 HR, walk only 7% of the time, be positive on the base paths - and that's a longterm starter. A very flawed player, but a no doubt longterm starter.

[Namaste]

Which brings it full circle to Brinson - play elite defense, hit .225, jack 25 HR, walk only 7% of the time, be positive on the base paths - and that's a longterm starter. A very flawed player, but a no doubt longterm starter.

Bingo.

With that said, I feel like if one of Diaz or Harrison doesn’t pan out, we could lose the Yelich trade.

But there’s PLENTY of time for the Marlins to win the trade.

[fish16]

I feel like if 2/3 of those 3 become everyday good players we won the trade, any more and we definitely won it. It could also be one of those deals that both teams end up liking. They had prospect depth they could trade and got a really good player on a good deal in yelich and we got desperately needed more good cheap prospects under team control to help start a rebuild. Could end up being a win win that ends up fitting both teams needs at the time

[fish16]

Hanley?

[Lee Stone]

Hanley?

When the calendar turned to May, Hanley turned into Sweet Lew Brinson. In other news, Prado will continue to play third base for the Marlins, no matter what.

[tjfla]

Hanley?

Would be nice but probably wants to go to a contender. I would take him on a minor league deal-play 1B/LF

[tjfla]

We might see movement before July with some of our minor pieces. Some whispers that teams like Texas/Toronto/KC are gonna sell so we are trying to get ahead of them

Have gotten calls on alot of guys. Even got a call or 2 on Bryan Holaday(hope we don't fight over $100,000 like Jeff did with AJ). JT/Bour/Bearclaw have been most popular.

LAA/Milwaukee/Minnesota/Seattle/SF have been talking with us

Teams who have called on JT are Minn/Toronto/NYM/Wash/Hou/Arizona/SD (NOTHING is close however)

Wouldn't be surprising to see LAA get a SP(Urena/Straily/Chen) and/OR RP(Ziegler/Bearclaw) from us according to my "janitor" friend

[fish16]

Id be down for a 2 year hanley deal provided that we trade Dietrich and/or Prado and/or Castro prior to him getting here or shortly after. WE could get a return for them, then get similar if not better production from Hanley in LF and then some combo of those 3 at 2b or 3b.