Season Super Game Thread

[tjfla]

News on Tazawa
99% chance he is released and signed by a team on a minor league deal BUT Miami is talking to a few teams about trading Tazawa and 5 million or so(pretty much all of his salary left) for a prospect

Again not likely but they are talking to a few teams.

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Someone mentioned Boston in a JT trade. Note that Jay Groome just had TJ Surgery and Chavis is suspended for drugs. They do NOT have what it takes prospect wise right now for JT. We do like 3 or 4 of their pitching prospects but maybe for Bour NOT JT

The teams that are actively on him are Toronto,Wash,NYM,Minn,Houston with others likely to join by July

If Soto,Robles,Vlad Jr or Kyle Tucker are offered for JT he is gone the next day. They have already told those teams any 1 of those guys plus a minor piece or 2 gets him

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They do have Jumbo Diaz, J. Turner, S. Burnett, and kept Despaigne, Tazawa, and Ziegler to start the year. I don't think that criticism is warranted when they also had Barraclough, Steckenrider, Wittgren, apparently Tayron, etc. needing spots. If anything, they should have signed another SP, which is basically eating all of Peters and Richards starts this year which would have been nice.

Not sure this is ruining Peters. He is 25 and is he ever going to be a playoff rotation starter? If not, maybe the bullpen is a good move for him. I think they do need to develop consistent lefty relievers.

In any event, I like the idea of Garcia, Conley, and Peters as the lefty crew, Steckenrider, Wittgren, and Tayron as the RHP crew, and at some point Guzman/Alcantara is dropped on the top and Merandy/Elisier/Gallen/Richards/Lopez/Meyer/whoever takes the 8th spot. That could be a pretty great bullpen which is controlled through 2022+, excepting only Conley who is after 2021. There is plenty of depth in AA/AAA with what they have to account for injuries, reliever volatility, or make deadline trades next few years. This could be a really good situation.

I think it's pretty obvious watching these guys Caleb Smith and Jose Urena are the only real hopes for developing #3/4 SP with the MLB squad (solid FIPs). Gallen, Meyer, Alcantara, Richards, Neidert, and P. Lopez are all still starting in AAA/AA (I think Merandy and Brigham are clearly RP so excluding). Plenty of guys there if Peters is going to be a reliever moving forward. Ultimately, they just need 3 SP out of that group of 8 or so, as Realmuto/Bour/Straily/Castro/Barraclough can find the 4th one, they can add a pricy top end starter in 2020 as the veteran piece, and they should have depth with Rogers/Garret/E.Cabrera/2018 # 1 pick/others in the upper minors in 3 years.

I'm digging the pitching situation, provided they do take a college SP in the draft and get at least another Niedert and Merandy in the upcoming trades.

The problem is Brinson/Monte/Diaz/Sierra are cumulatively terrible. Hopefully that changes soon.

Elieser and Graves have to stay on ML roster for 90 days each and looks like they might be leaning towards HS guy for #13 pick this year

[Lee Stone]

Tucker and JD Davis would be very valuable additions to Marlins. Realmuto, Brinson, and Harrison going the other way.

[fish16]

Tucker and JD Davis would be very valuable additions to Marlins. Realmuto, Brinson, and Harrison going the other way.

[tjfla]

Tucker and JD Davis would be very valuable additions to Marlins. Realmuto, Brinson, and Harrison going the other way.

Jeff is this U??? Houston already bent u over once don't let them again!!

Why would u trade Brinson and Harrison? A Houston deal for JT would be something like Tucker/Stubbs and rights to Elieser

[Lee Stone]

Jeff is this U??? Houston already bent u over once don't let them again!!

Why would u trade Brinson and Harrison? A Houston deal for JT would be something like Tucker/Stubbs and rights to Elieser

I'd say there's a 20% chance that Brinson or Harrison becomes an average ML player at this point. Tucker and Davis are close to 100%.

[Nick]

Lee Stone player evaluation strategy: The player you've been for the past month and a half is the player you will be for the rest of your career.

[Lee Stone]

Team improvement strategy: Know when to hold 'em ... and when to fold 'em. Tucker and Davis would become the Marlins' two best players on the day of the trade.

[fish16]

Lee is the absolute worst. Truly a stupid evaluator of talent and unable to see why

[Lee Stone]

Lee is the absolute worst. Truly a stupid evaluator of talent and unable to see why

You are welcome to your point of view, but why respond with name-calling? Instead explain the promise you see in Brinson and Harrison, who have been not just bad, but comically so. Have you ever actually watched Harrison at the plate? I've watched him a hundred times.

[gustavopim]

Lee is the absolute worst. Truly a stupid evaluator of talent and unable to see why

Here and any Marlins platform like twitter, fishstripes we talk like we know anything about player development and evaluation, but the truth is that NO ONE here knows shit about anything. We don't know 10% of what goes on in the front office or MILB teams.

In the end we all look stupid in regards of the actual decisions and who turned into starts or even MLB players and who are busts.

[Lee Stone]

Here and any Marlins platform like twitter, fishstripes we talk like we know anything about player development and evaluation, but the truth is that NO ONE here knows shit about anything. We don't know 10% of what goes on in the front office or MILB teams.

In the end we all look stupid in regards of the actual decisions and who turned into starts or even MLB players and who are busts.

It becomes a question of whose eyes you trust, your own or those of others. Here was my Marlin preview for this season ... nothing brilliant or earth-shaking ... simply more accurate and informed than any preview you read on any baseball website or newspaper. I pay attention because I'm damn old and have the time and interest: My Marlins Preview for 2018
By Lee Stone
Some recognizable faces are suddenly missing, but not because of their salaries. It was contracts to Prado, Volquez, Ziegler, Tazawa and Chen that sunk the ship. Those total about $55 million for 2018 alone – that’s right, more than Stanton, Ozuna, Yelich and Gordon combined. All for players that don’t matter a bit and, frankly, never figured to matter to those outside the team’s front office.
The starting pitching staff returns a cast of proven mediocrity (Straily and Urena), broken promise (Nicolino, Conley, and of course Chen, who actually seems to be broken), and some looming talent. With volumes of statistical data available these days, it’s easy to lose track of the one stat that tells the entire story: WHIP (walks plus hits divided by innings pitched). No matter how quick the fastball, how crisp the slider, the bottom line is limiting the number of hitters who reach base. Low WHIP and success align perfectly. Really good pitchers keep it under 1.25. Top pitchers get it much lower. Thing is, if a pitcher can’t dominate with a low WHIP number in the minors, they certainly can’t be expected to do it in the majors. With that in mind, at least three credible rotation guys stand out, all mature arms. Over nearly 100 innings in AAA last season, Caleb Smith went 9-1 with a 1.05 WHIP. The lefty, acquired from the Yankees, was the team’s top starter. Another lefty, Dillon Peters, put up a 1.00 WHIP over two minor league seasons before getting six starts for the Marlins in September. Results were mixed, but his first and last starts were outstanding, as in no runs over 12 1/3 innings. Trevor Richards, a righty, was the farm’s Pitcher of the Year. In 146 innings split between A+ and AA, his WHIP stood at 1.03. A fourth farmhand seems just a couple months of AA ball away. Ben Meyer tossed 111 innings, mostly for Jupiter, with a ridiculous .93 WHIP. He is recognized as the top control artist in the organization. All four of these future rookies strike out at least a hitter an inning. While the Miami organization has announced that reliever Jarlin Garcia will be shifted to a starting role, his numbers as a starter in the minors don’t support the move.
Future hopefuls, acquired in trades, should form an interesting AA Jacksonville rotation (along with Meyer). Nick Niedert, Zac Gallen, Sandy Alcantara, and Jordan Yamamoto will be battling to produce the lowest WHIP number.
The bullpen features somewhat dependable Drew Steckenrider and Kyle Barraclough, late-inning fireballers with marginal control. Stumbling incumbents Ziegler and Tazawa will return, solely in the hope that they can improve enough to draw trade interest. With Miami committed to a 13-man staff, that will leave openings for four of Nick Wittgren, Brian Ellington, Odrisamer Despaigne, Adam Conley, Chris O’Grady, Rule-Five signees Elieser Hernandez and Brett Graves, and either Caleb Smith or Garcia. Reinforcements, fortunately, are not far off. Andy Beltre, Merandy Gonzalez, Marcus Crescentini and others excelled in A+ ball last season.
The offense, minus four starters from last season, features two reliable returnees. Justin Bour is a healthy full-season away from being a star. Without injury, he projects as 40 HR/120 RBI in the clean-up spot. JT Realmuto is on the verge of becoming baseball’s best catcher. If he can lift his Marlin Park hitting marks to anywhere near his road totals, that’s a done deal. Starlin Castro is a solid pro who should produce hitting third in the order. While the club has him penciled in at 2B, I surmise that there will be discussion of moving him to SS. While Castro may not be a plus glove at short, he is certainly a double plus hitter compared to Riddle or Rojas, the only other options. A Castro/Dietrich MI combo represents a huge offensive upgrade, which is likely to be needed. Instead, Mattingly has introduced Dietrich as his Opening Day left fielder. That’s a curious decision. If defense is valued so highly that Castro stays at second, what in the world is Dietrich doing in the OF? Brinson, Lee and Sierra are great defensive talents and rookies who will only grow with experience. If one thing will breed excitement at Marlin games this season, it will be the blazing speed of those three. Third base belongs to Prado for the same reason Ziegler and Tazawa will be in the pen – the team is stuck with him. Brian Anderson will have to begin the season in AAA, awaiting Prado’s next pulled muscle.
Given the current intention to play Rojas and Dietrich regularly, the four reserve roles will likely belong to Telis and three of Riddle, Sierra, Lee, and Garrett Cooper. Cooper, acquired from the Yankees along with Caleb Smith, had a huge AAA season last year. He is a first baseman/corner OF with questionable skills at the latter.

[gustavopim]

It becomes a question of whose eyes you trust, your own or those of others.

We'll know who we should've trusted in 5 years.

[Lee Stone]

Jeff is this U??? Houston already bent u over once don't let them again!!

Why would u trade Brinson and Harrison? A Houston deal for JT would be something like Tucker/Stubbs and rights to Elieser

Reason to trade Brinson and Harrison: Try to find a single decent ML hitter who ever put up a 4/1 K/W ratio at any level of the minors or the majors ... even one. Over the last two seasons, Harrison is 5/1. Brinson was 3/1 for his minor league career (not good) and 5/1 in the majors (catastrophic). It's the reason MILW let them go. Conversely, Yelich maintained a 2/1 ratio through his ML career, exactly the reason the Brewers wanted him. Of note: this is exactly the same ratio he carried in the minors.

[Namaste]

I mean, if Brinson and Harrison can hit 25+ HR’s a year and catch EVERYTHING in the outfield, do we really care how much they strike out?

[Nick]

Hard to take someone seriously who can't even get the abbreviation for walks/base on balls right.