2024 Game Thread

[Nick]

I did originally think we were getting Luis Serna not Jared Serna from the Yankees. I think Ramirez’s ability to stay at catcher makes or breaks the deal.

[Nick]

Ultimately. Only time will tell on these deals. If Bendix and this staff knows more than the consensus, then these deals will be great. But as now now, the Arraez (scared to be opening this Pandora’s box) and Jazz deals feel like just trading these guys to trade them, when they didn’t have to. We’ll see.

Dave Dombrowski ain’t walking through that door. There’s a reason he’s still doing it 25 years later.

[Todd]

My guess is they hope Serna becomes Altuve v2. He is an interesting prospect, ngl

[lou]

Fangraphs just made some big jumps

Ramirez - FV50 - 72nd overall prospect. For perspective, Max is behind him in the 90s(!)

Serna - FV45+ - could be off-season top 100 add in their notes. Agree with Todd above.

Big time moves in evaluation as they work through the midseason review.

I retract the Peter criticism in this one. Obviously I was railing on the Jazz is good need a 50, 45+, and a 40 and was using Farmelo, Peete, and whoever with the Mariners as the comp. But he got the equivalent here it seems.

I’m back in on this one. And they didn’t upgrade DLS/Pintar to note I still think Puk was low.

[lou]

Off-season bat 40 man update doing an even split with arms:

C Ramirez, Fortes, Banfield (3)
1B/DH Burger, Martorella, DLS (3)
2B Edwards, Otto, Serna (3)
SS _____ (1)
3B ____, ____ (2)
LF Sanchez, DLC (2)
CF ____, Mesa Jr, Sanoja, Sasaki (4)
RF Marsee, Dane (2)

This isn’t not interesting. That’s 7/18 Bendix guys. I imagine they are working very hard to get a SS for Scott. Nothing in FA besides Adames.


Also, if we think pipeline wise

C - Mack
1B - Berry, Vradenburg
2B - Johnson, Cappe
SS -
3B -
LF - Morlando, Aldermann
CF - Head, Cova, Pintar
RF - Cruz

Top bats in 2025 draft (presumed anyways) are 3B and corner OF.


Entire organizational focus should be trading whatever they have left to trade for especially SS and 3B.


You can see the plan and depth charts forming here on paper

[fish16]

Will you please fuck off with your "just realizing it" bull shit?

They made the playoffs because they went like 41-18 in one run games. It was a mirage and wasn't going to be replicated.

My post had nothing to do with last year. It has everything to do with you throwing a bitch fit about me being realistic about what the Arraez trade signified was coming. It signaled a 3 year rebuild and you refused to acknowledge reality. That’s what you are “just realizing” because you’re a fucking clown homer

[fish16]

Off-season bat 40 man update doing an even split with arms:

C Ramirez, Fortes, Banfield (3)
1B/DH Burger, Martorella, DLS (3)
2B Edwards, Otto, Serna (3)
SS _____ (1)
3B ____, ____ (2)
LF Sanchez, DLC (2)
CF ____, Mesa Jr, Sanoja, Sasaki (4)
RF Marsee, Dane (2)

This isn’t not interesting. That’s 7/18 Bendix guys. I imagine they are working very hard to get a SS for Scott. Nothing in FA besides Adames.


Also, if we think pipeline wise

C - Mack
1B - Berry, Vradenburg
2B - Johnson, Cappe
SS -
3B -
LF - Morlando, Aldermann
CF - Head, Cova, Pintar
RF - Cruz

Top bats in 2025 draft (presumed anyways) are 3B and corner OF.


Entire organizational focus should be trading whatever they have left to trade for especially SS and 3B.


You can see the plan and depth charts forming here on paper

Putting names on a depth chart doesn’t mean any kind of significant depth chart is forming on paper that is remotely impressive. This team stinks at all levels. You’ve been putting names with random blanks for years. Every fucking team can do this. That is one of the most unimpressive, unintimidating depth charts in baseball both at the minor league level and at the big league level.

[lou]

Putting names on a depth chart doesn’t mean any kind of significant depth chart is forming on paper that is remotely impressive. This team stinks at all levels. You’ve been putting names with random blanks for years. Every fucking team can do this. That is one of the most unimpressive, unintimidating depth charts in baseball both at the minor league level and at the big league level.

Big leagues absolutely, but you’re kidding yourself if you think this team has had anywhere near this inventory of “interesting enough” names for years. No one including me is saying they are going to work out. This team hasn’t developed hitters in a decade, but all of you sudden with the influx of trades, some IFA guys maybe turning into real prospects, what looks like a good enough draft, and some developments from past drafts, this is starting to look different for the first time in awhile. Yes it cost Arraez, Jazz, Puk, and Berti to get there plus some other things which is painful because of Bruce, but all I said is - you can see the plan.

Also, let’s look at the other side of things. Current offseason 40 man for arms:

RHP SP - Sandy, Eury, Cabrera, Max
LHP SP - Luzardo, Garrett, Weathers, Rogers, Fulton
RHP RP - Bender, Brazoban, Cronin, Faucher, Hoeing, Munoz, Maldonado, Soriano
LHP RP - Nardi, _____, Simpson

Top prospects - Noble, White
Interesting ones - Santana
Good enough for mentions - May, Millbrandt, Ekness, maybe a few more

Bats may be a bottom 5 situation in the league right now, but this is a top 5 situation.

Ligthen up. Maybe we should be happy they just traded for a top 100 prospect bat and a second guy they have as real close and somewhere 101-150 as that is where Serna is. Also, both are MLB ready in 2025 more than likely and not 2028 as a lot of us thought. This is a good thing, no?

[sports24/7]

Dave Dombrowski ain’t walking through that door. There’s a reason he’s still doing it 25 years later.

We’ll see. The guys running things have been a part of groups that were awfully good at evaluating prospects in Tampa and Seattle. I’m willing to let it play out before I kill them.

I think Ramirez’s ability to stay at catcher makes or breaks the deal.

I think you’re right that it could go a long way on how this ends up. One would think Miami believes he would. Mish said all the deals they were looking at were headlined by catchers, as they made that a priority.

[sports24/7]

It’s funny that after all the back and forth, if you trust Fangraphs, the Marlins did end up getting a top 100 player for Jazz, and this time next year it might be two. Interesting there are some Yankees fans who are saying they’d have rather traded Spencer Jones than Ramirez.

[sports24/7]

Just catching up on the full news cycle today and the Carlos Estevez deal is interesting. They got a really nice return for a player who Tanner Scott is at least equal to, and is also a rental. That probably bodes well.

[fish16]

I’ll shut my mouth if they can acquire that 1 cornerstone can’t miss bat for Tanner Scott. Every team is supposedly in on him, if they can get a guy like Coby mayo, things start looking a lot different. Until then, it’s thoroughly unimpressive

[Namaste]

It’s funny that after all the back and forth, if you trust Fangraphs, the Marlins did end up getting a top 100 player for Jazz, and this time next year it might be two. Interesting there are some Yankees fans who are saying they’d have rather traded Spencer Jones than Ramirez.

It's very funny!

[lou]

It’s funny that after all the back and forth, if you trust Fangraphs, the Marlins did end up getting a top 100 player for Jazz, and this time next year it might be two. Interesting there are some Yankees fans who are saying they’d have rather traded Spencer Jones than Ramirez.

I am with them on this - I think Jones is going to be a whiff machine failure. 37% in AA(!!). This is a Brandon Wood rise and fall of a prospect.

[lou]

Just catching up on the full news cycle today and the Carlos Estevez deal is interesting. They got a really nice return for a player who Tanner Scott is at least equal to, and is also a rental. That probably bodes well.

Agree.