2023 Game Thread

[fish16]

........ he isn't a top 10 2B in baseball let alone a top 2B in all of baseball, although I do like him for who he is. To be fair, he was "10th" in production last year at 2B as Jazz and Story got hurt letting him sneak that high.

I think you need to do a topical dive into the 2B situation around baseball.

soooo.... in other words he was a top 10 2b literally last year? This year he is 13th according to fangraphs in 2b war, and they include mookie betts, who has played 33 games at 2b. Fangraphs had him 9th in WAR last year. He is one of the better 2b's in baseball. Tanner scott is not thoroughly mediocre for the first time in his career, and they have the same control.

[lou]

Gleyber is 21st in 2B WAR since 2020. That's 3 full seasons. And if we include 2019, aka the really good year, he moves to 14th for a 4 year spread. Jazz is 22nd with 700 less PA for perspective on the 3 year spread. 700 plate appearances.

Gleyber is good, and I think you can make an argument he is ascending with this K rate, but this is silly. He is only worth so much and Cashman is on crack if he thinks that Braxton, Cabrera, and more. He's worth a great MLB piece like Scott and because he's a position player, a bench rental like Wendle or a FV40 right hander. That's it. The only obstacle to this might be the Yankees not believing Peraza and Volpe can handle this today and that's not an unreasonable perspective even if longterm they will be fine.

[Nick]

Need something to happen if only to give fish16 and lou other things to argue about.

[fish16]

sanchez is out of the lineup AGAIN today. he is being dealt. I get it's a lefty in Suarez, but he's now been out what, 4 or 5 straight games when our lineup sucks?

[fish16]

we talked with the royals today about a perez deal but couldnt agree on what would go back. would seem to indicate they are going after a catcher from somewhere

[fish16]

robert garcia was claimed off waivers by the nationals. So there is 1 40 man spot opened up.

[fish16]

now sherman saying we are among a few teams looking at catchers. He said that in reference to an austin hedges tweet but that would obviously not be the guy we are going after

[rmc523]

Phillies close to getting Lorenzen.

[fish16]

2.5 hours. kim better get her shit together. There is just no chance she doesnt make moves. They have to be working on something significant.

[rmc523]

2.5 hours. kim better get her shit together. There is just no chance she doesnt make moves. They have to be working on something significant.

Agreed. Also, at some point, other teams are going to scoop up everyone we're targeting.

[AdamRavs]

Lorenzen would of been a decent get. We are sitting on our hands here and running out of time.

[rmc523]

The Phillies are got Lorenzen in a 1-for-1 swap of infield prospect Hao-Yu Lee.

[rmc523]

Come on Kim.

[TheMendozaLine]

I’m sure Kim is working on something amaziNg.

[lou]

soooo.... in other words he was a top 10 2b literally last year? This year he is 13th according to fangraphs in 2b war, and they include mookie betts, who has played 33 games at 2b. Fangraphs had him 9th in WAR last year. He is one of the better 2b's in baseball. Tanner scott is not thoroughly mediocre for the first time in his career, and they have the same control.

That isn't correct. Gleyber is 19th in 2B WAR. Or 18th if you pull out Mookie which yes is fair. I think you aren't accounting for unqualified hitters.

If Gleyber is a 4 WAR player today through the end of 2024, he has roughly a $20m surplus value because he's going to make $16m bucks during all of this. If Scott is a 2.5 WAR player today through the end of 2024, he is roughly a $17m surplus value. FV40 throw ins and whatevers like Wendle make up the difference. This isn't rocket science. If the Yankees were to move their RP and want to drop salary, this isn't a bad move for them if they also get Maldonado or whatever chucked in.