2023 Game Thread

[fish16]

Really should have taken Schanuel with the first pick.

Nobody knows anything about these draft picks. Hell, you couldn’t even evaluate sandy with years of minor league experience and major league experience. It’s a complete crapshoot

and that’s not even to take a shot at you cause I didn’t think Sandy was going to be good when we got him in the Ozuna trade, it’s just so impossible to evaluate these guys. Even the nfl is hard but at least there you’re judging guys based off the same level of play and generally the same age. I have no idea how you can have conviction when you are judging guys based on completely different levels between college and high school and completely different wide ranging ages

[lou]

I would have loved to see the Marlins draft a hitter that pans out at 10, but hard to be upset with taking a guy like Meyer there. Big time upside for an organization that does well with pitching. Then they come back and take a high upside lefty in comp A.

I’m really intrigued with Kemp Alderman, though. Big, big time raw power, and while he’ll probably be a corner OF, he has caught some, and they said they’re going to eventually give him some time there.

Overall, they add to a position of strength that they’ve done well with historically, and fill an organizational need for power. That’s a solid day 1.

I agree with this, but I do find it a little perplexing they didn't just draft Teel and Y. Morales. Both guys were easily ranked around their picks and getting a big time college C and 3B prospect who likely move fast would have been a nice addition to overnight really make the farm unbalanced with hitters. Sign a SS (or trade SP + Cappe for one) and you could pencil in that team for years pretty quickly. But you have to trust their pitching instincts because they are very good at that and likely, their draft strategy was to shoot for the ceiling and not the floor here which I do appreciate as that is how you find the Stantons. I like this much more than last year's draft, and basically I'm just saying they shouldn't have drafted a probable DH real early there.

I really hope this Alderman guy works out and can catch 50+ games at the MLB level. A 130 game starter 80 OF/DH and 50 C would be so great for the team's versatility. He sounds like a better Burdick a little.

[sports24/7]

I agree with this, but I do find it a little perplexing they didn't just draft Teel and Y. Morales. Both guys were easily ranked around their picks and getting a big time college C and 3B prospect who likely move fast would have been a nice addition to overnight really make the farm unbalanced with hitters. Sign a SS (or trade SP + Cappe for one) and you could pencil in that team for years pretty quickly. But you have to trust their pitching instincts because they are very good at that and likely, their draft strategy was to shoot for the ceiling and not the floor here which I do appreciate as that is how you find the Stantons. I like this much more than last year's draft, and basically I'm just saying they shouldn't have drafted a probable DH real early there.

I really hope this Alderman guy works out and can catch 50+ games at the MLB level. A 130 game starter 80 OF/DH and 50 C would be so great for the team's versatility. He sounds like a better Burdick a little.

Those were the guys I wanted at both picks, but both fell a decent amount further than people thought they would, so it wasn’t just the Marlins that were down on them.

Also, the Marlins clearly recognize what they do well, and SP is always going to be an extremely valuable commodity. So if you feel like you can get these guys to hit their considerable upside, you should actually be able to flip them for better players than Teel and Morales. It’ll be interesting to see how thing pan out over the next few years.

[sports24/7]

Really should have taken Schanuel with the first pick.

The thing with Schanuel is he’s a similar type of prospect to Berry. Not to say his career will pan out like that, but he’s a hit-first prospect who probably will only play 1B or DH. For an organization that has had a hard time developing that one tool that you’d need to pan out here, that’s dicey.

[fish16]

obviously they went BPA and did well, but i think it's a real signal that they will be dealing from some of the SP depth in the next few weeks. Meyer, Eder, Fulton, Monteverde, Miller. Milbrandt, Fitterer are all potentially gone.

[Lee Stone]

obviously they went BPA and did well, but i think it's a real signal that they will be dealing from some of the SP depth in the next few weeks. Meyer, Eder, Fulton, Monteverde, Miller. Milbrandt, Fitterer are all potentially gone.

Can't imagine selling so low on top prospects like Meyer, Eder and Fulton or underperformers like Miller, Milbrandt and Fitterer. The only pitcher in the entire system that is throwing at high level is Monteverde, and the Marlins probably need him for their own rotation soon enough.

[Namaste]

Of course they’ll be dealing pitching at the deadline. Bruce isn’t spending big money

[lou]

Those were the guys I wanted at both picks, but both fell a decent amount further than people thought they would, so it wasn’t just the Marlins that were down on them.

Also, the Marlins clearly recognize what they do well, and SP is always going to be an extremely valuable commodity. So if you feel like you can get these guys to hit their considerable upside, you should actually be able to flip them for better players than Teel and Morales. It’ll be interesting to see how thing pan out over the next few years.

Yep. I'd frankly just draft up the middle (C, 2B, SS, maybe 3B if good value like Morales outside the core first round, CF) and arms. I wonder if they would have taken Teel if they knew they were getting White in round 2, but that's hard to say so I don't blame them.


Also I just saw on MLB.com Rogers is 3-7 weeks from throwing. If someone else posted that timeline sorry I missed it. Sounds like September. They for sure need a SP. Sandy, Garrett, and Cabrera should get through a normal load, Luzardo + Eury should be a combination of a normal load (as Luzardo will need to be managed and skipped here and there), and there are 10-15 starts here for the taking and I cannot imagine they are going to Cueto and Hoeing. It's truly annoying this team needs a SP because Rogers, Meyer, and Eder are hurt and Cueto is a shell of his former self. That could have easily been 450+ innings on this year's team which is mind blowing.

[Erick]

Probably going to have to do some opener/bullpen games at some point down the stretch.

[lou]

Can't imagine selling so low on top prospects like Meyer, Eder and Fulton or underperformers like Miller, Milbrandt and Fitterer. The only pitcher in the entire system that is throwing at high level is Monteverde, and the Marlins probably need him for their own rotation soon enough.

Eder and Meyer are throwing, I don't see them having much less value but certainly haven't improved stock. Fulton probably lower as he is hurt and this is a second major arm issue. Fitterer is probably up in value from before the year with the whiffs (but still not much), and Miller and Millbrandt are still babies so hard to say there is depreciation there. You're selling these guys low, but Monterverde has certainly raised his stock the most.

I still can't see them going to Monterverde. They need some real veteran innings here IMO. I actually wouldn't be shocked if Smeltzer gets another shot. Not saying they should do that before being yelled at, I am just saying I wouldn't be surprised if they tapped him for a one-off bulk reliever day to see what happens before they figure out a larger SP move. Smeltzer actually is settling in a little - 3.14 ERA last 28.2 innings (3 HR). Weirder things have happened, but hopefully there is this combo bat + SP trade coming quick.

[fish16]

Of course they’ll be dealing pitching at the deadline. Bruce isn’t spending big money

obviously bruce is cheap, but what does dealing pitching at the deadline have to do with him being cheap?

[lou]

Probably going to have to do some opener/bullpen games at some point down the stretch.

I did the SP map for July a few pages back.

They are going to have a Cueto/Hoeing/Bullpen day, and likely a limited availability Cabrera/bullpen day against St. Louis out of the break, and then can probably get to mid-August always having Sandy, Luzardo, Cabrera, Eury, and Garrett throwing. They have some excellent off days in July to keep Sandy, Luzardo, and Garrett on normal rest to punt on 4th/5th SP enough.

So they likely need a SP for August and September, but they have some runway to wait on a good move (provided Cabrera is healthy soon). St. Louis may be a weird AF pitching series absent other moves is what I am saying. You can really see Cueto, Hoeing, Cabrera, and Smeltzer each getting a time through the lineup over 2 games, with likely Brazoban and Soriano reserved for form 2-3 inning appearances on top. Hopefully we have a 12 run first inning one game and Cueto and Stallings can cruise the back 5 innings giving up under 8 runs.

[rmc523]

obviously bruce is cheap, but what does dealing pitching at the deadline have to do with him being cheap?

Absorbing money in contracts to give up fewer prospects I'd assume?

All depends on who's being targeted and what team, though (i.e. some teams would prefer prospects to money, and vice versa).

[Namaste]

Fangraphs has us ranked #12 in their latest power rankings (with the Giants, Mariners (lol) and Padres (lol) ranked higher than us.

[Namaste]

Fangraphs “Team Quality” stat is amusing. According to this stat, the Marlins have the 16th best team in MLB.