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    • Originally posted by sports24/7 View Post
      But while we can talk about the reasons why the Marlins can be a contender, what kind of odds would you give that actually happening? .
      I’ll take the easy way out and say 28.4% (Fangraphs) with 3 outs to go in todays game.

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      • Get these dudes some help. If Segura and Fortes are starting to come around, and Edwards looks like a quality reserve replacement, maybe they can thread the needle and survive to Jazz/Rogers/Cueto/Sanchez/Puk all getting back.

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        • Originally posted by Namaste View Post

          I’ll take the easy way out and say 28.4% (Fangraphs) with 3 outs to go in todays game.
          Right. So not great. It's moot, though, because it won't happen until the deadline. So in the meantime, I'll hope I'm wrong, or that Soler keeps up this pace, and the value will still be there at the deadline. Or the best case scenario (although probably the least likely), they actually make a move to add someone.

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          • Originally posted by sports24/7 View Post

            Right. So not great. It's moot, though, because it won't happen until the deadline. So in the meantime, I'll hope I'm wrong, or that Soler keeps up this pace, and the value will still be there at the deadline. Or the best case scenario (although probably the least likely), they actually make a move to add someone.
            It would really be a great story to say...

            The Dolphins seemingly signed a generational coach and made big boy moves two offseasons in a row
            Canes basketball made Final Four
            FAU(!) basketball made Final Four
            #8 Heat conference finals
            #8 Panthers conference finals
            Canes football still lands top recruiting class and Mario has this team in much better shape in year 2....

            Marlins make series of moves in May to have a relevant non-covid baseball season in the first time since I don't even know when, hanging with a team with $250m more in guaranteed contracts


            Sign me up for Sixto and Monteverde being the desperation starters in August. Just shoot out Meyer/Eder, Fulton, I. Lewis, Comp Pick, and outside top 20 guys now and go get 2 bats tonight.

            Least likely, smartest decision of course

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            • I wouldn't feel all that desperate to take a look at Monteverde in the bigs, starter or long reliever. The Marlins keep throwing four or more pitchers for the last four innings, not ideal. The team needs a guy that could go four innings, at least three, every fifth day or so.

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              • Originally posted by Lee Stone View Post
                I wouldn't feel all that desperate to take a look at Monteverde in the bigs, starter or long reliever. The Marlins keep throwing four or more pitchers for the last four innings, not ideal. The team needs a guy that could go four innings, at least three, every fifth day or so.
                I dare you to make a post that doesn't involve trading Sandy or calling up Monteverde. Try it out, see how it feels.

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                • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                  Kyle Seiloff is such a bad baseball broadcaster. Overly excited (you can hear the embarrassment in Rod Allen’s voice). He went on and on about how Arraez’s 500th hit should have been an error while former major leaguer Allen is telling him it’s a hit all day. I miss Glenn Geffner a lot when I’m driving.
                  I also think he's the worst broadcaster the Marlins had it in my 10 years watching/listening to the team. It's cringe to listen to his calls.... not only that, he's such a big homer it's embarrassing. Definitly another money saving strategy for the Marlins. Glenn was probably the best radio guy in all MLB.

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                  • Originally posted by gustavopim View Post

                    I also think he's the worst broadcaster the Marlins had it in my 10 years watching/listening to the team. It's cringe to listen to his calls.... not only that, he's such a big homer it's embarrassing. Definitly another money saving strategy for the Marlins. Glenn was probably the best radio guy in all MLB.
                    Couldn’t agree more. I don’t think he’s the worst broadcaster I’ve ever heard by any means. But it’s a HUGE downgrade from Geffner’s

                    “Cringe” was the perfect word.

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                    • Originally posted by Namaste View Post

                      answer the question

                      If a player has a .800 OPS and they have a 30% K rate does his 30% K rate matter
                      If he adds negative defensive value and bad base running, no. That’s Mike Jacobs with more k’s

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                      • Originally posted by Nick View Post

                        I dare you to make a post that doesn't involve trading Sandy or calling up Monteverde. Try it out, see how it feels.
                        Haha, this is hilarious.....


                        Lee's constant post choice:
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                        • Originally posted by Nick View Post

                          I dare you to make a post that doesn't involve trading Sandy or calling up Monteverde. Try it out, see how it feels.
                          Let's set a trap:

                          Nasim Nunez is hitting .286/.450/.417 against RHP in 110 PA. 3 HR, 26 BB, 23 K. In Pensacola last year, a .665 OPS in 126 PA (19/27 BB/K), and in Beloit a .743 OPS in 273 PA (55 BB / 74 K). He has overall been 88/105 (83%) in SB during this time, which is roughly a first season when you add in the lefty PA I am ignoring for obvious what-if purposes.

                          Jacob Amaya is hitting .342/.390/.421 against LHP in 41 PA, 0 HR, 3 BB, 7 K. I can't find the Jumbo Shrimp LHP splits last year, but had a .794 OPS in AAA with the Dodgers in 93 PA (18/22 BB/K) and 1.235 OPS in AA in 53 PA (6/6 BB/K).

                          Is there a.700+ OPS platoon split growing here at the MLB level, with floor above average base running with Nasim's insanity and if we believe the scouting reports, floor above average defense as each are believed to be defensive assets. Arguably, both could be elite contributors.


                          In 2022 this happened:

                          H. Kim 582 PA, .251/.325/.383, above average base running, elite defense 3.7 WAR
                          Andrus, 577 PA, .249/.303/.404, elite base running, above average defense 3.5 WAR
                          Mateo, 533 PA, .221/.267/.379, elite base running, super elite defense 2.8 WAR
                          Crawford, 458 PA, .231/.308/.344, above average base running, elite defense 2.1 WAR
                          IKF, 531 PA, .261/.314/.327, above average base running, above average defense 1.4 WAR
                          Farmer, 583 PA, .255/.315/.386, below average base running, above average defense, 1.4 WAR
                          N. Lopez, 480 PA, .227/.281/.273, elite base running, elite defense, 1.2 WAR
                          Wendle, 371 PA, .259/.297/.360, neutral base running, above average defense, 1.2 WAR
                          Rojas, 507 PA, .236/.283/.323, below average base running, elite defense, 1.2 WAR


                          What about a .650 OPS platoon split, as frankly that could turn into a Crawford + N. Lopez situation quick over 1000+ PA for them covering SS and spot duty elsewhere as backups.


                          Is the joke on us this club-controlled platoon is coming? If we're digging into the depths of the farm outside the core prospects, I think this is much more interesting than Monteverde IMO.




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                          • Originally posted by lou View Post

                            Let's set a trap:

                            Nasim Nunez is hitting .286/.450/.417 against RHP in 110 PA. 3 HR, 26 BB, 23 K. In Pensacola last year, a .665 OPS in 126 PA (19/27 BB/K), and in Beloit a .743 OPS in 273 PA (55 BB / 74 K). He has overall been 88/105 (83%) in SB during this time, which is roughly a first season when you add in the lefty PA I am ignoring for obvious what-if purposes.

                            Jacob Amaya is hitting .342/.390/.421 against LHP in 41 PA, 0 HR, 3 BB, 7 K. I can't find the Jumbo Shrimp LHP splits last year, but had a .794 OPS in AAA with the Dodgers in 93 PA (18/22 BB/K) and 1.235 OPS in AA in 53 PA (6/6 BB/K).

                            Is there a.700+ OPS platoon split growing here at the MLB level, with floor above average base running with Nasim's insanity and if we believe the scouting reports, floor above average defense as each are believed to be defensive assets. Arguably, both could be elite contributors.


                            In 2022 this happened:

                            H. Kim 582 PA, .251/.325/.383, above average base running, elite defense 3.7 WAR
                            Andrus, 577 PA, .249/.303/.404, elite base running, above average defense 3.5 WAR
                            Mateo, 533 PA, .221/.267/.379, elite base running, super elite defense 2.8 WAR
                            Crawford, 458 PA, .231/.308/.344, above average base running, elite defense 2.1 WAR
                            IKF, 531 PA, .261/.314/.327, above average base running, above average defense 1.4 WAR
                            Farmer, 583 PA, .255/.315/.386, below average base running, above average defense, 1.4 WAR
                            N. Lopez, 480 PA, .227/.281/.273, elite base running, elite defense, 1.2 WAR
                            Wendle, 371 PA, .259/.297/.360, neutral base running, above average defense, 1.2 WAR
                            Rojas, 507 PA, .236/.283/.323, below average base running, elite defense, 1.2 WAR


                            What about a .650 OPS platoon split, as frankly that could turn into a Crawford + N. Lopez situation quick over 1000+ PA for them covering SS and spot duty elsewhere as backups.


                            Is the joke on us this club-controlled platoon is coming? If we're digging into the depths of the farm outside the core prospects, I think this is much more interesting than Monteverde IMO.



                            Definitely interesting, and both could serve as utility when not playing. If you can get 2 starting caliber positions out of Edwards/Amaya/Nunez that would be amazing, and seems realistic from what I've seen so far out of these guys. Put those positions with Arraez and it could provide some high OBP, then invest your money in slugging.

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                            • I'd call up Nunez to AAA now. See if his OBP and SB abilities play at the slightly higher level.

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                              • Originally posted by Nick View Post

                                Definitely interesting, and both could serve as utility when not playing. If you can get 2 starting caliber positions out of Edwards/Amaya/Nunez that would be amazing, and seems realistic from what I've seen so far out of these guys. Put those positions with Arraez and it could provide some high OBP, then invest your money in slugging.
                                Right so this is a best case internal scenario for next year??? If not August (if they have fallen apart):

                                ____, Fortes
                                Arraez, _____
                                Edwards, Berti
                                Nunez, Amaya
                                Segura
                                DLC
                                Jazz
                                Sanchez, Garcia

                                Stopgap 1B/3B type who can play a lot of DH to hopefully bridge to Groshans or Berry within a year (and the other then replaces Segura after his 2025 option is likely declined). Cappe eventually replaces Berti as another infielder and it becomes a mix and match IF situation where everyone can somehow play every position effectively.

                                ____, Fortes
                                Arraez, Berry
                                Edwards
                                Nunez, Amaya
                                Cappe, Groshans
                                DLC
                                Jazz
                                Sanchez, Garcia


                                Basically, are these SS that interesting where if we are looking to upgrade now, should SS be avoided as there is a .650 OPS platoon/defense/base running floor and that may be real solid for 3 years of club control?

                                And the focus should be on a 3B to shuffle Segura (2B), Arraez (1B), Cooper (DH), and Soler (OF) for present purposes. And then they can reassess when they positionally see where Berry, Edwards, Cappe, and Groshans land (assuming those dudes make it of course). Because Cappe may end up at SS for a few years too you know. And then if we're looking at the depth chart, clearly one of DLC/Sanchez/Garcia probably needs an upgrade. Maybe Jazz also has to move to 2B (or even DH ala Buxton) if the OF defense is too detrimental to health?


                                So if we like this theoretical SS set-up, and combined with what the Marlins could trade for *right now*

                                Moncada - CHW are dead and alleviates payroll. Fulton, maybe Groshans/Marlins Comp pick, and FV40 friends is likely a good deal for them. Assuming Moncada health gets a thumbs up. Tim Anderson makes a lot of sense, but maybe this is too many moving parts.

                                A. Thomas - ARI feels as we do and maybe they can contend. They don't need him right now. Get them Eder and Garrett, and obviously take back 1-2 other decent prospects as Eder is arguably too much, and Garrett not enough (or vice-versa). Thomas has a ton ton of upside and creates some CF redundancy if Jazz eventually has to move. Arizona needs more pitching big time.

                                Fortes, Stallings
                                Arraez, Cooper
                                Segura
                                Wendle
                                Moncada, Berti
                                DLC, Sanchez
                                Jazz
                                A. Thomas
                                Soler
                                (DLC, Berti, Soler is the LHP OF, and DLC/Sanchez, Jazz, A. Thomas/Sanchez the RHP. DH PA will be competitive with Cooper/DLC/Segura as 1 must sit assuming Arraez shifts to 2B a bit)

                                Then

                                _____, Fortes
                                Arraez (1B/2B), Berry (1B/DH)
                                Edwards
                                Amaya, Nunez (2B/SS)
                                Moncada, Cappe (SS/3B/LF)
                                DLC (LF/DH), Sanchez
                                Jazz
                                A. Thomas

                                And they still have Sandy, Luzardo, Eury, Cabrera, Rogers, Meyer, and Cueto longterm here. Moncada costs a ton in payroll, but they'd be able to afford another Segura/Cueto level guy for the pitching staff. Maybe Garcia is a dollar for dollar dump here for Patrick Corbin also and they juice them with some prospects. Corbin has a 4.3 xFIP last 200 innings so if they did something like this, he'd be useful to eat 2 times through the lineup once a week, etc.



                                Basically I don't want to be debbie downer and say sell the guys. I'd prefer they buy, and smartly buy now, or sell, or smartly sell now. Just don't do nothing. They need the help now. Big picture, I kind of feel the unknowns of Amaya, Nunez, and too an extent maybe Cappe is actually a SS, is kind of suggestive Moncada is a perfect target. And another OF is obvious. Who cares if it costs Eder, Fulton, and Garrett. They can handle it. So let's think about this realistically and not think Monteverde is going to be Diet Glavine tomorrow. Or, maybe Monteverde is actually good and call him the team's 7th SP this year and 8th next year (once Meyer is back).

                                It's a slow Friday.




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