2022 Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

please trade pablo. it's the only realistic hope of retooling this lineup with some real talent.

And who exactly do you think the Marlins might get in return for Pablo? With Luzardo back soon, Cabrera too, the Marlins could have a real rotation for the last couple months. I'd be comfortable with Alcantara, Lopez, Garrett, Luzardo and Cabrera pitching for basically a Jacksonville lineup.

[fish16]

And who exactly do you think the Marlins might get in return for Pablo? With Luzardo back soon, Cabrera too, the Marlins could have a real rotation for the last couple months. I'd be comfortable with Alcantara, Lopez, Garrett, Luzardo and Cabrera pitching for basically a Jacksonville lineup.

2 hitters ready to make an impact now or right away next year needs to be the goal. Obviously if you can’t get that you don’t trade him but Pablo has 2 years of team control left, his value will never be higher, and he isn’t resigning here when he becomes a free agent. Deal him at the height of his value and move forward with sandy and whatever the other 4 in the upper minors and majors fill the rotation is fine. Obviously your rotation gets worse the rest of the year but with eury coming, Cabrera and luzardo theoretically getting healthy, Eder coming back next year, Garrett looking impressive, and maybe sixto ever returns and you have enough, plus it’s not illegal to go out and sign a quality starter in free agency to eat some innings at a competent level.

this team needs 3 more impact bats at least, Pablo is the best option to get two of them

[Nick]

Go Big:

Marlins Get:

Nolan Gorman
Alec Burleson
Malcom Nunez
Paul Dejong

Cardinals Get:
Pablo Lopez
Anthony Bass
Jon Berti
Avisail Garcia

Taking DeJong takes some of the sting off of Cardinals taking on Garcia's contract maybe? They'd be on the hook for like $33 million instead of some $46 million. Gorman and Burleson help immediately. Nunez in a year or 2. We free up a ton of money in 2024 and 2025.

[fish16]

pablo for diego cartaya and one of Michael Busch, Miguel vargas, or Andy pages is the one id do. No one is taking garcia at this point unless we eat a lot of money and then if that's the case, why not just wait and see if he bounces back next year? If you look at his career stats he alternates good and bad seasons so maybe he bounces back next year and that deal becomes a lot more palatable for a team to take on with a year less on the contract. Plus while he's been terrible, it's not like we have an overflow of OF prospects anymore. Bleday has looked impressive and Sanchez has had a down year but I'm inclined to give him another year as a starter before you start looking at him as a joc pederson pure platoon type of player, but after trading Misner and Scott and Burdick looking like he needs another year in AAA, we have space for him in the OF.

[Nick]

Go Big:

Marlins Get:

Nolan Gorman
Alec Burleson
Malcom Nunez
Paul Dejong

Cardinals Get:
Pablo Lopez
Anthony Bass
Jon Berti
Avisail Garcia

Taking DeJong takes some of the sting off of Cardinals taking on Garcia's contract maybe? They'd be on the hook for like $33 million instead of some $46 million. Gorman and Burleson help immediately. Nunez in a year or 2. We free up a ton of money in 2024 and 2025.

If you remove the salary dump aspect, take Dejong and Garcia out of the deal and remove, one of Bass or Berti and I'm happy with that as well.

[fish16]

i'd need jordan walker if im dealing pablo to the cards. Gorman to me looks like someone who will come here and crater. His low OBP throughout the minors and amount of k's is a little scary to me to be the main piece for pablo. If I deal pablo I need the top piece coming back to be as surefire of a good MLB hitter as possible. I don't even care if there are limitations defensively, this team needs offensive bats and has maybe 2 pieces that you can realistically say will be here for years to come in Bleday and Jazz. Every other spot is wide open. Whoever they get will have a place to play or if not, fuck it, we have the DH. we desperately need surefire impact bats.

[fish16]

Josh jung would work for me as well. Texas could use some pitching and they just spent a shit ton last offseason on their lineup. He is injured all year though so maybe that wont work unless we get a number of other guys in the deal as well.

Triston casas from the red sox would be a great get for me as well.

[fish16]

you might be able to talk me into Gorman, Burleson, and the catcher ivan herrera for Pablo

[Erick]

i'd need jordan walker if im dealing pablo to the cards. Gorman to me looks like someone who will come here and crater. His low OBP throughout the minors and amount of k's is a little scary to me to be the main piece for pablo. If I deal pablo I need the top piece coming back to be as surefire of a good MLB hitter as possible. I don't even care if there are limitations defensively, this team needs offensive bats and has maybe 2 pieces that you can realistically say will be here for years to come in Bleday and Jazz. Every other spot is wide open. Whoever they get will have a place to play or if not, fuck it, we have the DH. we desperately need surefire impact bats.

Our hitting has been so sad that we’re already counting on Bleday with minimal results just because it seems like he has a good approach in a small sample.

Not saying I don’t like Bleday, but just making a joke of how bad the Jeter era has been for hitting development.

[Erick]

For what it’s worth, you guys are going to be disappointed in the return for Pablo if you expect “2 big league ready hitters” as fish16 said in an earlier post.

I don’t see that happening, but I guess that’s the only way I’d deal him so hopefully it is the case that we get that many impact bats back.

[Lee Stone]

If the Orioles decided to make a best effort at contending this season, perhaps they would move big-time star potential in SS Gunnar Henderson in a Pablo deal. That's the type of return that Pablo would require in my eyes.

[fish16]

For what it’s worth, you guys are going to be disappointed in the return for Pablo if you expect “2 big league ready hitters” as fish16 said in an earlier post.

I don’t see that happening, but I guess that’s the only way I’d deal him so hopefully it is the case that we get that many impact bats back.

pablo is one of the better pitchers in the league, cheap, healthy, and with 2 years of team control left. 2 big league ready prospects/hitters is absolutely in the realm of possibility for his value. He should fetch a teams top 3 prospect (depends on the team and the best prospect they have as far as whether its 1,2, or 3), another top 10-13 prospect, and another minor prospect. He should be looked at with similar value as Ozuna was when we dealt him. Obviously different circumstances and different position, but pablo has super high value to both big market and smaller market alike.

[fish16]

Our hitting has been so sad that we’re already counting on Bleday with minimal results just because it seems like he has a good approach in a small sample.

Not saying I don’t like Bleday, but just making a joke of how bad the Jeter era has been for hitting development.

My opinion on bleday has very little to do with his first 4 games. it's the approach combined with the pure power. There is a comfortable floor there for him even if he doesn't reach the ceiling once envisioned. His plate discipline and on base percentage due to his ability to draw walks is a great combo to have, plus it looks like he can play a somewhat competent CF.

[Nick]

I don’t get Williams and Astudillo playing every day and Charles LeBlanc still in AAA. Now is the time to give him a look.

[Erick]

Huascar Brazoban is a lot better than I thought he’d be when I saw we called up a 32-year-old reliever.