July 2021 Game Thread

[lou]

And, I'd still try and trade for Campusano with Pablo. This isn't the catcher solution even if he works out.

[sports24/7]

This deal isn’t about not wanting to pay Duvall’s option, but the fact that they were worried he’d decline it. I’m fine with trading him, but I have mixed feelings on the return. Jackson gives us some upside at a huge need, but are we going to go into 2022 with him and Alfaro as the guys? It’ll probably be too early to see if Jackson is going to be any kind of a long term answer, but I don’t think you can wait on upgrading the position if you want to win next year.

[Todd]

I would really like to think Jackson is the backup catcher plan and they are still pursuing a legitimate player for the position. Pretty underwhelming return for Duvall. I know he isn't great but still think they could have gotten more.

[lou]

I like the way you're thinking lou. What if we threw Ha-Seong Kim in the deal? Between Kim and Hosmer, they have about $100 million left on their contracts, each through 2025.

Padres Get:

Pablo
Aguilar
Berti

Marlins Get:
Campusano
Hassell
Ha-Seong Kim
Hosmer
$35-40 Million

Kim and Rojas hold down the fort until hopefully Watson or Salas is ready to take over SS (long way out, but we have to hope one of those guys works out) Sign Kris Bryant and bring back Starling Marte on 3-year contracts, and by the time the Marte, Bryant, Hosmer and Kim money is coming off the board, our really youngsters like Watson, Salas and Hassell should hopefully be coming to fruition and ready to take over.

Sure.

Use the payroll to buy the prospects. Hosmer is like the ultimate dead money in baseball. It's a good opportunity if Padres can part with the right players.

[Erick]

care to say anything of substance or just gonna go with he's awful?

He’s struck out 46% of the time and isn’t even hitting .100 in the big leagues. With our great history of developing hitters, I’d like to think he won’t be our starting catcher.

Like I don’t really care about Duvall so I don’t mind, but I’m not about to have hope for Alex Jackson.

[sports24/7]

They should play Jackson and De La Cruz as much as possible now, though IMO. See what they have.

[fish16]

He’s struck out 46% of the time and isn’t even hitting .100 in the big leagues. With our great history of developing hitters, I’d like to think he won’t be our starting catcher.

Like I don’t really care about Duvall so I don’t mind, but I’m not about to have hope for Alex Jackson.

he's had 43 big league at bats over the course of 3 years. No one is saying they are sure he is going to become a big leaguer. he is a 25 year old former 6th overall pick with good power, great minor league numbers, and encouraging reports about his defense. He is a good flier to take on for a guy who they clearly thought would be declining his option.

[Erick]

he's had 43 big league at bats over the course of 3 years. No one is saying they are sure he is going to become a big leaguer. he is a 25 year old former 6th overall pick with good power, great minor league numbers, and encouraging reports about his defense. He is a good flier to take on for a guy who they clearly thought would be declining his option.

As I said, that's fine for Duvall.
My only point is that he shouldn't be our starting C next season.

[Todd]

he's had 43 big league at bats over the course of 3 years. No one is saying they are sure he is going to become a big leaguer. he is a 25 year old former 6th overall pick with good power, great minor league numbers, and encouraging reports about his defense. He is a good flier to take on for a guy who they clearly thought would be declining his option.

He doesn't have "great" minor league numbers. He has decent numbers this year and was pretty awful every season prior.

[Nick]

He doesn't have "great" minor league numbers. He has decent numbers this year and was pretty awful every season prior.

In what world is an .846 OPS as a catcher awful? Which he put up in a full season at AAA in 2019.

[fish16]

He doesn't have "great" minor league numbers. He has decent numbers this year and was pretty awful every season prior.

i mean you can hate on the guy all you want and im not arguing he is going to be good but it kind of detracts from your argument when you try to act like a guy hitting .300, ops above .1000, and 20 extra base hits in just over 100 ab's is only having a decent year. And he's doing it in the in Gwinnett, not exactly like he's doing it in a PCL ballpark.

[fish16]

In what world is an .846 OPS as a catcher awful? Which he put up in a full season at AAA in 2019.

also had an .808 OPS in 2017 with 20 hr's

[Todd]

In what world is an .846 OPS as a catcher awful? Which he put up in a full season at AAA in 2019.

When your BA is .229, OBP is .313, and you K almost 40% of the time?

[Nick]

.864 OPS in 593 career PAs at AAA, that's not a small sample size, and like fish16 mentioned, he wasn't playing at some hitter's haven. Ks are a definite concern, if we had dealt on of our pitchers and this was the catcher we were getting back than yeah I wouldn't be happy, but we traded Adam Duvall. Who was a nice pickup for us, but he was always going to be a short-term pickup, had a .277 OBP and was K'ing about 31% of the time himself.

[Nick]

When your BA is .229, OBP is .313, and you K almost 40% of the time?

The guy we just traded was hitting .229 with a .277 OBP.

Jackson is K'ing 32.8% of the time at AAA, which is too much, but it's not 40%. If he can put up .210/.290/.460 at the majors, that's one of the better hitting catchers in the majors, even if he is striking out 35% of the time.