Capozzi: Fox, Wiley Out

[Beef]

Don't you have the power?

You are not joshing with me are you?

[Longview]

he actually said "an" not "and" fwiw.

[Party]

No I'm not joshing with you. I don't have absolute powers in cases such as these. You're going to need another admin to approve.

[Omar]

I do not approve

[Ralph]

Rumors going around saying Wiley may be asked to stay on in some kind of front office/scouting role... if he's interested

So they are homiez

[geemoney]

The Sun-Sentinel did say Wiley was offered a position within the organization. They said Fox was offered the managerial job at Class A Jamestown, but he declined.

[wanks1212]

The Sun-Sentinel did say Wiley was offered a position within the organization. They said Fox was offered the managerial job at Class A Jamestown, but he declined.

That was their offer? Jesus. That's like Target firing someone from their board of directors and saying "hey, it's cool. you can stay with us. we'll offer you a job managing the store on US1 & Oakland Park Boulevard. Whaddya say?"

[Omar]

Err.....if they wanted to groom Fox to be a potential managerial candidate in the future, wouldn't they prefer him managing at an inferior level compared to being a first base coach?

[Swifty]

Yeah, I look at getting a low A ball affiliate as a compliment.

Now, were I in Andy's shoes, I too think I would have walked, but going from infield coach to a manager in the minors is definitely no less than a lateral move, and, salary excluded, a promotion.

[wanks1212]

Legitimate question:

how many managers go from short season A ball manager to (eventually) MLB manager? And how long does that transition take?

now, how many managers go from MLB first base coach to MLB manager? and how long does that transition take?

i would bet the second option happens more frequently, and takes a shorter amount of time. but i may be wrong on that.

[Swifty]

I don't think many infield / base coaches, without prior managing experience, make the jump.

The biggest promotion for Andy would have been bench coach. That's like being assistant manager, and it instantly makes you a candidate for most managerial openings.

Getting to be a A ball manager, with established major league coaching time, makes you a better third base coach option which turns you into a better managerial option.

It's all about building the resume. If Fox wants to be a manager down the road, this is what he has to do. If he doesn't, he's totally correct walking away.

[wanks1212]

that does not make much sense to me and goes against pretty much every principle i've ever seen in any of the fields/places i've worked

but alright, i really don't feel like arguing this at all because nobody knows

[Big Z]

Sorry guys, excuse me for the errors, I've had a long day

[emkayseven]

I'm pretty inclined to agree, not many 1b/infield coaches become managers. it's the milb managers that move up the ranks usually. like fredi!

[Omar]

that does not make much sense to me and goes against pretty much every principle i've ever seen in any of the fields/places i've worked

but alright, i really don't feel like arguing this at all because nobody knows

In reality, being first base coach has little to do with managing. I can't think of a single time off the top of my head that a first base coach was promoted to manager or did anything on the team other than infield drills.

For an example of someone who managed in the minors for a while before getting promoted to third base coach in the majors and then an actual MLB managing gig, one must look no further than our own skipper. Rene Lachemann, John Boles, Jack McKeon, and Jim Leyland also got their starts by managing in the minors according to their respective wiki pages. Nothing is mentioned on Jeff Torborg's page, though 1973-1977 (end of his career and his first major league managing gig, respectively) isn't accounted for.

It makes sense to groom someone for a job and then promote from within. Major corporations do it as well when they bring people in through different leadership programs inside of their umbrella to groom them into their own respective business strategy.