2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fish16]

manfred truly is an awful commissioner. why do guys like him and goodell make being a commissioner or even a generally good person seem so difficult?

[Lee Stone]

Would I be opposed to a 54-game season with extended playoffs during this year of a pandemic? Hell no! That'd be like turning down half a hot fudge sundae because I'd prefer a whole one.

Individual players should be allowed the choice not to play, but without pay. There are many others that will jump at the chance to replace them. There are many unknowns that owners have to risk under these unique circumstances. The players are risking nothing.

[fish16]

Would I be opposed to a 54-game season with extended playoffs during this year of a pandemic? Hell no! That'd be like turning down half a hot fudge sundae because I'd prefer a whole one.

Individual players should be allowed the choice not to play, but without pay. There are many others that will jump at the chance to replace them. There are many unknowns that owners have to risk under these unique circumstances. The players are risking nothing.

what in the fuck are the owners risking? the players are risking their health to play in the middle of a pandemic and the owners have to risk smaller profits for one year? cry me a fucking river

[Lee Stone]

what in the fuck are the owners risking? the players are risking their health to play in the middle of a pandemic and the owners have to risk smaller profits for one year? cry me a fucking river

Risks to the owners:

They will go to the expense of initiating another spring training, the cost of which cannot be recovered if there is an outbreak that prematurely ends the season.

They will expend another 100-200 million in advance pay to the players that will also not be recovered if there is an outbreak.

They will pay for a host of safety measures, including regular testing.

Risk to players:

Given that they will be working and traveling in an environment in which everyone around them is regularly tested and they can sign off on the entire safety package, they will have less risk than virtually everyone in America who is traveling to a workplace each day. They can also choose not to particpate.

[fish16]

Risks to the owners:

They will go to the expense of initiating another spring training, the cost of which cannot be recovered if there is an outbreak that prematurely ends the season.

They will expend another 100-200 million in advance pay to the players that will also not be recovered if there is an outbreak.

They will pay for a host of safety measures, including regular testing.

Risk to players:

Given that they will be working and traveling in an environment in which everyone around them is regularly tested and they can sign off on the entire safety package, they will have less risk than virtually everyone in America who is traveling to a workplace each day. They can also choose not to particpate.

oh no im so sorry that these billionaire owners who never open their books to show what they are actually making, consistently get public funding for their private ballparks, and own an asset that is almost impossible to run in a way where it does not appreciate exponentially might lose money one year, if they even will lose money at all because, again, THEY DO NOT OPEN THEIR BOOKS to put their money where their mouth is. what is it with this country that we bend over backwards to defend and make excuses for billionaires over the labor workforce?

[Namaste]

the players are risking their health

Risking getting a cough and a fever for 10 days?. A Major League Baseball players risk of death from C-19 is about the same as their risk of getting hit by lightning while tracking down a fly ball in the gap.

[fauowls44]

Risking getting a cough and a fever for 10 days?. A Major League Baseball players risk of death from C-19 is about the same as their risk of getting hit by lightning while tracking down a fly ball in the gap.

I don't want to downplay Covid-19. Clearly, it's bad to get and is definitely worse than the usual flu and more contagious. However, this notion that MLB players would be in some sort of mortal danger by playing in a highly controlled environment is ridiculous. Anyone else in the general public going to work every day is at far more risk than these athletes that will be monitored and tested frequently.

[rmc523]

The owners are for some reason dead set on not playing games past November 1st, which I don't understand.


Tony Clark said “The league’s demand for additional concessions was resoundingly rejected”.

If this continues much longer, I don't have hope for a season, and further worry about a strike.

[tjfla]

Weather is 1 thing they concerned about

Nov/Dec in Boston,Denver,Detroit,Baltimore,NY,Chicago,Pitt,Ph illy,Seattle,KC

Players just want to get paid(Work 50 games or 110 games they want the same amount of $) while owners just want to get thru 2020 and move on 2021 with fans and profits

NBA schedule is kinda nuts now. July 31-Oct 12. Draft Oct 15 and NEW season December.

[Lee Stone]

Feels like a deal is basically done. Owners have done their math and decided on about 50 games if players want their prorata salary. Added RS games (and income) for players would require gift of additional playoff round/revenue to owners. The shorter schedule wouldn't have to start until close to August, which would be a positive healthwise. There will be better testing and likely better treatment available by then.

[tjfla]

Feels like a deal is basically done. Owners have done their math and decided on about 50 games if players want their prorata salary. Added RS games (and income) for players would require gift of additional playoff round/revenue to owners. The shorter schedule wouldn't have to start until close to August, which would be a positive healthwise. There will be better testing and likely better treatment available by then.

Ya alot of owners/FO are already looking at 2021. They have had enough of this season already-no minors,5 Rd draft just want to move onto 2021. Play games from August to November and done with 2020. Funny thing is in March when all this started they wanted to be ready to go this week with games

[rmc523]

It's just a stupid stance, IMO.

[emkayseven]

This seems like an easy solution to me.

Play 72 or 82 games. Players get full pro rata salary for 50 of those games.

The salaries for the rest of the games are deferred without interest for the next 5 years, or however long.

Just get it done.

[rmc523]

This seems like an easy solution to me.

Play 72 or 82 games. Players get full pro rata salary for 50 of those games.

The salaries for the rest of the games are deferred without interest for the next 5 years, or however long.

Just get it done.

Yup, that's basically what I proposed too.

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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/...e-florida.html

Apparently the league is considering an expanded Arizona Fall League and potentially creating a Florida Fall League.

[Lee Stone]

Yup, that's basically what I proposed too.

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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/...e-florida.html

Apparently the league is considering an expanded Arizona Fall League and potentially creating a Florida Fall League.

Organizing and announcing a Fall League - esp. one that takes place in AZ and Florida and includes all 30 teams - should be made official right now, regardless of whether there's MLB this season.

As to length of potential MLB season, an August and September regular season seems most reasonable at this point, with maybe 54-60 games. 60 games would be more than owners want to budget, but I can see some players opting out of the season, which would save the owners some payroll.