2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[tjfla]

I don’t know why you are lumping the NBA in with MLB. As far as I can tell, MLB is the only league right now arguing (at least publicly) about the money aspect of returning. The most powerful NBA players all are saying they want to play...in fact almost to a man, basketball players are saying they want to return in a safe way. Just listen to the podcast with Woj and Jeff Passan about the differences between the 2 sports and the relationships between the league and the unions. The trust levels couldn’t be more different.

I find it hard to believe that all of these leagues don’t come back...it’ll probably just take until this gets closer to June for talks to really pick up. Once one major league decides it’s safe to open up, the rest will follow. So the next 2 weeks will be very telling.

Well NBA was ready to do a restart in Vegas but then they announced the 25% reduced salary since no games yet and players cried. I agree the NBA guys arent really crying as much but they need to just play get the season over and move on. NBA is probably the easiest of all the leagues to play in a bubble with no fans

U restart in Vegas. Play in 4 places in city and 2 teams share a hotel. 1 East Team and 1 West Team(u would need 15 hotels which Vegas has that many vacant on the strip alone). 8 teams play at 4 different times thru day with crappy games schedule early

MLS looks like they are ready to. Games and teams in Orlando. NFL will be playing in Sept. NHL I understand because almost half teams are in Canada which is totally different from here

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In better news (I posted in draft section too)

Things are starting to trickle out of Marlins FO

#3 Asa Lacy
#40-They want a College Bat who falls(Misner LY). THEY are hoping 1 of Casey Martin,Daniel Cabrera,Aaron Sabato,Austin Wells
#2S-Signable HS P Names to watch are Alex Santos/Dax Fulton/Alejandro Rosario/Victor Mederos

Later in draft looking at fast moving RP types like Burl Carraway,Mike Kirian,Ryan Webb,Tyler Brown,Jack Leftwich,Nick Frasso/College C or Miami 1B Alex Toral if around in Rd 5

Gonna be interesting to watch out 2S and later picks. When I say "signable" I mean a HS arm who they might have to pay up for but will sign.

Give me a
Asa Lacy(LHP)
Casey Martin(MIF)
Dax Fulton(HS LHP)
Ryan Webb (LHP)
Another College Arm or C
Alex Toral(1B)

draft and i wouldnt complain

Few notes on HS P

Fulton is 6'6 220lb LHP from OK(means if Stan Meek was still running show he would be the #3 Pick) Had TJS in Sept so is out until June 2021 anyways. Likely would have to go above slot to sign him at 2S but Lacy may save us some cash and if we go College 3rd/4th Rd can save little too

Mederos is 6'3 210lbs from Cuba and will be 19 soon. Who else was a big older RHP from Cuba?

Rosario is from Miami,1 of youngest in the draft and reclassified from 2021. 6'1 175 but hits 97

[fauowls44]

Well NBA was ready to do a restart in Vegas but then they announced the 25% reduced salary since no games yet and players cried. I agree the NBA guys arent really crying as much but they need to just play get the season over and move on. NBA is probably the easiest of all the leagues to play in a bubble with no fans

U restart in Vegas. Play in 4 places in city and 2 teams share a hotel. 1 East Team and 1 West Team(u would need 15 hotels which Vegas has that many vacant on the strip alone). 8 teams play at 4 different times thru day with crappy games schedule early

MLS looks like they are ready to. Games and teams in Orlando. NFL will be playing in Sept. NHL I understand because almost half teams are in Canada which is totally different from here

The NBA wasn't ready to restart when that pay cut went into effect which I believe was May 15. That pay reduction was known to be coming for a while. The NBA paid full salaries in March and April. May was the first pay cut and while I doubt the players love it, I don't recall hearing much of anything from the players about it publicly. Publicly fighting about money so far has been a uniquely MLB issue. The only thing you hear from the vast majority of NBA players is that they want to do what they can to play. The NBA just had a call last week between the players and Adam Silver and that is when you started to hear more optimism about re-starting.

The point of the Woj/Passan podcast was that a similar call between players and commissioner would be almost impossible to imagine for MLB due to sides not trusting the other.

Anyway, I feel like once one league announces a return to play plan, the pressure will build on the rest. MLB and the union need to get together to figure this out. Not playing will do a lot of damage to the sport and neither side should want that. They can argue their positions for about another week, but after that they have to get back to business and fast in order to save the season.

[Namaste]

Boobs like Sean Doolittle and Blake Snell are going to make this difficult but it will get done

[Lee Stone]

Boobs like Sean Doolittle and Blake Snell are going to make this difficult but it will get done

Always felt something special for Snell because he played on a summer league team with my grandson in Seattle, but to use his words, "No mo, bro."

[Namaste]

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifest...153317029.html

CDC updates how C-19 is most likely spread

[fish16]

South Korea is playing baseball in baseball stadiums with a multitude of precautions being taken.


So, they’re doing what MLB is aiming to do.


Stop being obtuse

it's not being obtuse, its comparing ridiculously different situations. As a country we have 1.55 million positive tests and 92k deaths. As a country south korea has 11k cases and just 263 deaths. We have 140x more cases than them (likely significantly more than that because they have adequate testing and we do not) and we have 350x as many deaths as them (likely more). It's a ridiculous comparison and the fact that you dont seem to get that yet is absurd. Not only are their numbers better, their testing and tracing system is light years ahead of ours which has enabled them to get to the point where they are playing baseball. We are nowhere close to being in their situation so yes, comparing the two situations is dumb as hell.

[fauowls44]

it's not being obtuse, its comparing ridiculously different situations. As a country we have 1.55 million positive tests and 92k deaths. As a country south korea has 11k cases and just 263 deaths. We have 140x more cases than them (likely significantly more than that because they have adequate testing and we do not) and we have 350x as many deaths as them (likely more). It's a ridiculous comparison and the fact that you dont seem to get that yet is absurd. Not only are their numbers better, their testing and tracing system is light years ahead of ours which has enabled them to get to the point where they are playing baseball. We are nowhere close to being in their situation so yes, comparing the two situations is dumb as hell.

I don't think anyone is debating whether South Korea has done a better job of controlling the virus. I think the comparison is of baseball leagues. If South Korea can safely open it's baseball league, then it would be hard to believe that MLB couldn't also come up with a safe way to do so as well. What MLB would do to keep it's players and staff safe is pretty unrelated to what the rest of the country is doing.

[Namaste]

I don't think anyone is debating whether South Korea has done a better job of controlling the virus. I think the comparison is of baseball leagues. If South Korea can safely open it's baseball league, then it would be hard to believe that MLB couldn't also come up with a safe way to do so as well. What MLB would do to keep it's players and staff safe is pretty unrelated to what the rest of the country is doing.

The skull is thick on that kid I’m pretty sure we are wasting our time.

[fish16]

I don't think anyone is debating whether South Korea has done a better job of controlling the virus. I think the comparison is of baseball leagues. If South Korea can safely open it's baseball league, then it would be hard to believe that MLB couldn't also come up with a safe way to do so as well. What MLB would do to keep it's players and staff safe is pretty unrelated to what the rest of the country is doing.

you really dont understand how different the challenges are in opening up the baseball league after a virus hits when one country has 140x more cases and 350x more deaths? What MLB will do is not unrelated to the rest of the country because as much as they will try to keep them in a bubble you cant fully contain everyone involved in the game and everyone who they see during the year. the players arent just going to abandon their familiies and do nothing but go to the ballpark and then back to the hotel and never have any outside contact with anyone who is not involved in thegame. it simply isnt possible no matter how hard they try. So yes, what the rest of the country is doing is absolutely related to what the league is doing.

[fauowls44]

you really dont understand how different the challenges are in opening up the baseball league after a virus hits when one country has 140x more cases and 350x more deaths? What MLB will do is not unrelated to the rest of the country because as much as they will try to keep them in a bubble you cant fully contain everyone involved in the game and everyone who they see during the year. the players arent just going to abandon their familiies and do nothing but go to the ballpark and then back to the hotel and never have any outside contact with anyone who is not involved in thegame. it simply isnt possible no matter how hard they try. So yes, what the rest of the country is doing is absolutely related to what the league is doing.

I’m not saying it’ll be easy...none of this is easy and it won’t be perfect. I’m just saying that MLB will put enough in place to minimize the risk as much as possible. There is too much money at stake on both sides for them not to try and make it work. With the environment that MLB can create during the season, compared to the rest of the population, the players will be safer playing baseball than being home working out on their own.

[geemoney]

Per a Tweet by Jon Heyman, a handful of Marlins (fewer than six) showed up today on the first day players were allowed to throw off a mound or hit in batting cages in Jupiter. Jordan Holloway was one of those players.

[Namaste]

the players arent just going to abandon their familiies and do nothing but go to the ballpark and then back to the hotel and never have any outside contact with anyone who is not involved in thegame. it simply isnt possible no matter how hard they try.

You mean like what they’re doing in the KBO?

[gustavopim]

I totally get fish16 point. It's a completely different situation. The players will still be taking the plane, the bus, taxis, eating in places with over 40-50 people going by a day. There's no way to compare South Korea with MLB. Travel times are shorter, they have contact tracing etc.

In addition to that what happens if one player gets it? Everyone is put in quarantine? That team doesn't play anymore?

[Lee Stone]

I totally get fish16 point. It's a completely different situation. The players will still be taking the plane, the bus, taxis, eating in places with over 40-50 people going by a day. There's no way to compare South Korea with MLB. Travel times are shorter, they have contact tracing etc.

In addition to that what happens if one player gets it? Everyone is put in quarantine? That team doesn't play anymore?

Your concerns seem legitimate, but I have read nothing about health concerns being a stumbling block to the MLBPA. It appears to be all about money.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/colum...ons-1.44782808 Hard as I try, I see nothing to legitimize the players' union contention that they are entitled to pro rata salaries in front of empty seats.

[gustavopim]

Your concerns seem legitimate, but I have read nothing about health concerns being a stumbling block to the MLBPA. It appears to be all about money.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/colum...ons-1.44782808 Hard as I try, I see nothing to legitimize the players' union contention that they are entitled to pro rata salaries in front of empty seats.

I honestly don't think the players are wrong too. We all work for money. ALL the owners are billionaires, they can afford to pay pro-rated salaries.