2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Erick]

Miguel Rojas deserves to be a utility guy. This idea that he is an everyday player is stupid. He has a 90 ops+ last year and a 79 ops+ the year before. He is a career 82 ops+ hitter. He’s got a great glove, use him to his strengths. Let him be a late inning defensive replacement. Especially when you have a guy in villar who would be in the top half of hitting shortstops in the league

Why’s it stupid? He’s a 2 WAR SS. If anything, he can get us another prospect at the deadline. The guy has been a leader off the field, and way more productive than Brinson. The big leagues aren’t a tryout.

[rmc523]

That seems kind of unfair. He hasn’t stayed healthy but it’s not like a bunch of different injuries. He’s been hit in the hand multiple times. That’s not really like Stanton where he’s hurting something new each time

I guess.

[fish16]

Why’s it stupid? He’s a 2 WAR SS. If anything, he can get us another prospect at the deadline. The guy has been a leader off the field, and way more productive than Brinson. The big leagues aren’t a tryout.

Because you have a 4 war ss on the roster, the majority of his war is defensive which he can still get by starting 3-4 times a week and becoming a defensive replacement every game, and Ramirez and brinson can possibly accumulate more than 2 war and make your lineup better than if rojas were in there slap hitting away to below league average levels. Worse comes to worse brinson fails again after two months and you go back to rojas everyday at ss until jazz is ready. Plus, if the thought process is getting something at the deadline, you’re never going to get anything significant for rojas at the deadline no mater what and you can argue villar and his bat at ss is more valuable to a possible contender than him in center field where he has 0 major league experience.

No one is saying bench rojas, just play him to his strengths, 3-4 starts a week all over the diamond and use his great defensive abilities late in games as a defensive replacement whose bat isn’t like a yadiel rivera style defensive replacement where it’s just completely useless if their turn in the order comes up again

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2 war over the course of the entire season also isn’t this kind of hard to replace production that you guys keep making it out to be. It’s a nice player but it’s incredibly replaceable and if the choice is between a veteran all glove 2 war guy and a former top prospect who has shown improvement in spring and has a significantly higher ceiling on a losing team, give me the young former prospect 10 times out of 10. Two months of brinson getting one last chance isn’t doing anything to hurt anyone’s value. Teams know what rojas is. He’s an all glove utility guy with a career bat that is significantly below league average

[Nick]

Because you have a 4 war ss on the roster, the majority of his war is defensive which he can still get by starting 3-4 times a week and becoming a defensive replacement every game, and Ramirez and brinson can possibly accumulate more than 2 war[ and make your lineup better than if rojas were in there slap hitting away to below league average levels. Worse comes to worse brinson fails again after two months and you go back to rojas everyday at ss until jazz is ready. Plus, if the thought process is getting something at the deadline, you’re never going to get anything significant for rojas at the deadline no mater what and you can argue villar and his bat at ss is more valuable to a possible contender than him in center field where he has 0 major league experience.

No one is saying bench rojas, just play him to his strengths, 3-4 starts a week all over the diamond and use his great defensive abilities late in games as a defensive replacement whose bat isn’t like a yadiel rivera style defensive replacement where it’s just completely useless if their turn in the order comes up again

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2 war over the course of the entire season also isn’t this kind of hard to replace production that you guys keep making it out to be. It’s a nice player but it’s incredibly replaceable and if the choice is between a veteran all glove 2 war guy and a former top prospect who has shown improvement in spring and has a significantly higher ceiling on a losing team, give me the young former prospect 10 times out of 10. Two months of brinson getting one last chance isn’t doing anything to hurt anyone’s value. Teams know what rojas is. He’s an all glove utility guy with a career bat that is significantly below league average

We all give Lee Stone shit about his takes that are based on small sample size, but using 27 spring training ABs to justify ignoring 655 ABs in actual major league play may beat out anything he's said.

Brinson wants to make it back to the big leagues. It's real simple outplay Sanchez and Harrison at AAA, if he's clearly the better player than those guys for an extended period of time at AAA, he'll get another shot. 27 spring training ABs doesn't prove anything to me. Give the ABs to guys like Ramirez, Cooper and Aguilar proven major league hitters.

[fish16]

Brinson was significantly better than both of those guys in aaa already last year. He’s proven everything he needs to prove in aaa already. Give him two months of everyday abs one last time aNd see what happens. You’re literally choosing a 30 year old slap hitting ss and a career significantly below average major league hitter in rojas over a possible break out from brinson. It’s unlikely it happens but the guy has nothing to prove in aaa anymore. Let him put up or shut up one last stretch in the everyday lineup for a month or two and if nothing changes then move on and wait until the next guy is ready in monte Harrison. If you had legit other options or were trying to contend this year that would be one thing, but you’re gonna finish in last again your other options are fucking Miguel Rojas and his shitty below average bat and Jonathan villar playing completely out of position. It’s stupid and a waste of time to wait for brinson to give him the chance in July as opposed to now in order to watch 30 somethings put up below average stats

[Nick]

Brinson was significantly better than both of those guys in aaa already last year. He’s proven everything he needs to prove in aaa already. Give him two months of everyday abs one last time aNd see what happens. You’re literally choosing a 30 year old slap hitting ss and a career significantly below average major league hitter in rojas over a possible break out from brinson. It’s unlikely it happens but the guy has nothing to prove in aaa anymore. Let him put up or shut up one last stretch in the everyday lineup for a month or two and if nothing changes then move on and wait until the next guy is ready in monte Harrison. If you had legit other options or were trying to contend this year that would be one thing, but you’re gonna finish in last again your other options are fucking Miguel Rojas and his shitty below average bat and Jonathan villar playing completely out of position. It’s stupid and a waste of time to wait for brinson to give him the chance in July as opposed to now in order to watch 30 somethings put up below average stats

I would argue that he wasnt significantly better than Harriaon, but either way. He got called up after that AAA stint and failed more spectacularly than ever. I think it's safe to assume that Sanchez and Ramirez are better players than they were a year ago.

[fish16]

So clearly no matter what he puts up in aaa you’re gonna say he has to prove it at the major league level, so why waste everyone’s time in sending him down there to mash again and just give him two more months of major league time to put up or shut up so we can get a final answer one way or another rather than just delaying the inevitable last chance he’s gonna get?

[Nick]

So clearly no matter what he puts up in aaa you’re gonna say he has to prove it at the major league level, so why waste everyone’s time in sending him down there to mash again and just give him two more months of major league time to put up or shut up so we can get a final answer one way or another rather than just delaying the inevitable last chance he’s gonna get?

I'm of the opinion that the question has been answered. Send him down to AAA and he'll be the 3rd best OF in that lineup, but the opportunity is always there to prove me wrong, but he's got to force his way onto the major league roster now. 27 ABs in Spring Training doesn't cut it for me. Rojas is the SS, anybody who has been paying attention to spring training knows that. So your options if you want Brinson to be a major league starter is CF, with Villar going to 2nd Base and demoting Isan which is a mistake IMO, or RF where you pretty much take away Harold Ramirez's ABs completely and force Cooper and Aguilar into a platoon. That's a disservice to those players who have performed unlike Brinson.

[lou]

I'm of the opinion that the question has been answered. Send him down to AAA and he'll be the 3rd best OF in that lineup, but the opportunity is always there to prove me wrong, but he's got to force his way onto the major league roster now. 27 ABs in Spring Training doesn't cut it for me. Rojas is the SS, anybody who has been paying attention to spring training knows that. So your options if you want Brinson to be a major league starter is CF, with Villar going to 2nd Base and demoting Isan which is a mistake IMO, or RF where you pretty much take away Harold Ramirez's ABs completely and force Cooper and Aguilar into a platoon. That's a disservice to those players who have performed unlike Brinson.

There are so many PA opening up in June/July. I don't know why he is still arguing this.

These guys are all still young with options (besides Sierra). Just let them duke it out. Brinson still has theoretical upside. It's obvious to let him play everyday in AAA.

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Because you have a 4 war ss on the roster

Rojas is still the 4th best position player, floor 8, on the roster no matter how you slice it, with whatever splits you want to make because the glove plays everywhere.

If they do nothing, his floor should be 550 PA and eating those groundballs.

If you want to convince me Rojas shouldn't be playing everyday, trade him to the Padres for Wil Myers, Morejon, and O. Miller. You will have my attention then of then putting Villar at SS permanently, and Myers playing all over and primarily CF for 2-3 months while they figure everything else out.

[fish16]

On a side note with sandy on the mound today we decided not to use the dh to I guess get him a few abs because of how completely awful he has been with the bat

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Sandy looking much better today. Brinson just drew a rare walk

[fish16]

Much more controlled outing for sandy today. One inning where the control wasn’t great but overall good outing

[lou]

Mish saying Boxberger is making club. I think we knew that.

DFA/trades coming. I'm interested in seeing what's going to happen. I suppose Brigham may be put on the 60 day also to begin that game.

[fish16]

I think northcradt will make it as well, as might vesia if the roster math works out

[Nick]

Northcraft had excellent numbers at AAA last year as well. Never played in the big leagues.

[fish16]

Northcraft had excellent numbers at AAA last year as well. Never played in the big leagues.

If I recall he was out of the minors for a year or two and completely rechanged his delivery into some super side arm delivery from the right side

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I think him and or yimi Garcia can become this years anderson