2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Lee Stone]

What do you attribute to Pence being just as bad as Diaz was in 2018 with the bat, and then great in 2019? If we had talked to you at this time a year ago. Hunter Pence would be the biggest bum in the entire major leagues to you. Could it be that there's more to player evaluation than purely what they've done in their last 200 ABs?

Does it really matter? Recent form matters most ... barring injuries. Fans seemed to like the Villar signing ... me included. I guarantee that was based only on what he did last year, not on previous work. Joyce was the same deal. With Aguilar, the Marlins are gambling on a return to previous form (first half of 2018 season with the Brewers) rather than what he did since. I've got little faith in that ... but that's just me.

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Watching Hunter Pence hurts my eyes

Makes me smile. Watching Lewis Brinson irritates my eyes.

[Nick]

Yes it does matter and the fact that it doesn't matter to you sums up your flawed thinking.

[Erick]

Lee Stone and tjfla commentary aside, I am pleased at the bench that has been built for the 2020 season. I can’t remember the last time our bench was any good, and I feel like the one this year should be pretty good. We have some depth now.

[Lee Stone]

Yes it does matter and the fact that it doesn't matter to you sums up your flawed thinking.

I don't mind being the most flawed thinker in the chat room ... somebody has to be it.

[lou]

So the Dodgers want to be good

Maybe a good time to call SD for that Myers dump so they can trade for whatever else to try and compete

[emkayseven]

We should have been in on Joc at that price

[lou]

Lee Stone and tjfla commentary aside, I am pleased at the bench that has been built for the 2020 season. I can’t remember the last time our bench was any good, and I feel like the one this year should be pretty good. We have some depth now.

It's a sneaky solid position core. They could easily get 18+ WAR out of the hitters next year, which basically is a league average positional squad (17th last year). They got 2.6 WAR last year due to some epic bad performances. 2.6 was the TEAM.

This isn't unreasonable to me at all.

Alfaro/Cervelli - 2
Aguilar/Cooper - 2
Isan/Berti - 2
Rojas - 2
Anderson - 3+
Dickerson - 2
Villar - 3+
Joyce/Ramirez - 2

[tjfla]

Same. With Berti on the team, I don't see much of a need, but he could provide solid depth.

Well AAA needs players right now its

C-Wallach/Lavarnway
1B-Lewin
2B-Lopes/Katoh
SS-Jazz/Alvarez
3B-Rodriguez
LF-Kemp/Brian Miller
CF-Monte
RF-Jesus
DH-?

FYI there should be more vet Milb signings soon

They trying on Russell,Holt,Brad Miller,Leonys Martin,Morales and others. Wanted Greg Bird but he went to Texas however Lewin getting all the AB's so its whatever

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We should have been in on Joc at that price

The Joc deal isnt complete.

Passan says

Joc,Pages and a ML SP for Renfigo and prospect

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I know people dont see need for guys like Rodriguez,Joyce,Cervelli,Kintzler but remember 2020 is still stockpile talent for future.Fans keep acting like 2020 means something but it doesn't. The FO would consider it an A+ season if prospects develop and they dont lose 100 games. The goal is get ML Pick between 3-7. They arent playing to win this year they are fielding a team till July wait for young guys to be ready then trade those guys for stuff. It might be 17 yr old DSL guys/It might be IFA $

My "commentary" on this board is NOT my opinion I just tell u what I hear. I would keep Conley,Urena,Cooper,Jarlin around but the FO doesnt see any of them on the team in 2021 so what they are trying to do is this. Trade guys and gets something for them,then replace those guys with others who wont be here but who they can trade in July for MORE stuff. They plan on 2021 to have a VERY young team but want to show improvement. 2020 plan is to NOT lose 100 games and keep stockpiling talent

Yes Rodriguez is not needed with Berti around or Lee's favorite BUT some contender will eventually call offer something for him and u trade him. This is the same with Kemp-if he looks good in ST and u give him ML AB's some team will call and trade for him. THIS IS THE FO's THINKING!!!!!
Even if its 250K in IFA its something and u could sign 2 solid IFA for that

[Nick]

Just seems like an odd strategy for a team that had guys like Curtis Granderson, Neil Walker, Starlin Castro, Martin Prado and Bryan Holaday on the team last year and didn't get anything for any of them.

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I mean I'm all for spending money to accumulate minor league talent, but this seems like the cheapskates version of that. To obtain true talent they're going to have to take on a bad contract, instead of taking on 10 small contracts of aging players on the fringe of the big leagues and hoping one turns into a decent trade piece.

[fauowls44]

The goal for 2020 needs to be to show a path to a competitive MLB team. I get wanting to stockpile talent and flip them for whatever, and I don't necessarily disagree with it (depending on how the season is playing out), but there is value in fielding a better product. They have to show they are committed to putting a competent team on the field. This off season has been a good step.

[lou]

The goal for 2020 needs to be to show a path to a competitive MLB team. I get wanting to stockpile talent and flip them for whatever, and I don't necessarily disagree with it (depending on how the season is playing out), but there is value in fielding a better product. They have to show they are committed to putting a competent team on the field. This off season has been a good step.

This. Look at the Miami Heat (always) and the Dolphins this year. They have done "tear downs" but they aren't throwing in the towel.

They can stockpile talent (which they are) and field a competitive team at the same time. Getting the 8th versus 4th pick in the draft isn't going to change any trajectory of this franchise. So there isn't pool money for the next Mokma ot Fitterer? Who cares? Those are good prospects, but showing the fan base you care is FAR more valuable.

I think they are doing this right now too BTW, but I can't agree with "Fans keep acting like 2020 means something but it doesn't."

[fish16]

The Red Sox return for mookie was pathetic for maybe the 3rd biggest mlb market.

[lou]

Just seems like an odd strategy for a team that had guys like Curtis Granderson, Neil Walker, Starlin Castro, Martin Prado and Bryan Holaday on the team last year and didn't get anything for any of them.

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I mean I'm all for spending money to accumulate minor league talent, but this seems like the cheapskates version of that. To obtain true talent they're going to have to take on a bad contract, instead of taking on 10 small contracts of aging players on the fringe of the big leagues and hoping one turns into a decent trade piece.

Yes.

With the Dodgers moves, San Diego needs to do something. I think this is a good time to grab Wil Myers, so that opens up their payroll to do "something" to improve their team with someone else they deem more useful. They have so much in their farm they can trade 2-3 guys for the Marlins for the salary absorption, and then another 1-3 guys for a good piece right now from some team wanting to move someone. Like the Giants need Samardzija or Cueto right now, and they would cost San Diego relatively nothing. Maybe they blow the Rocks away for Gray or Marquez and that's a massive upgrade.

Just saying.

[Nick]

The Red Sox return for mookie was pathetic for maybe the 3rd biggest mlb market.

I'm dying to know how much money they sent to the Dodgers.

[lou]

The Red Sox return for mookie was pathetic for maybe the 3rd biggest mlb market.

They saved $140 million (accounting for Price and luxury tax expectations) and got two really good young players who are club controlled for years. This was as smart as the Stanton trade to clear money.

They need to double down now though and trade JD ASAP. That clears another $60 million, and all of a sudden they have money ready for a superstar free agent and a Devers longterm buyout. That seems pretty good to me with getting multiple high end young guys.

We'll see though. Dodgers are going to be good. I really only hate the trade for Minnesota.

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I'm dying to know how much money they sent to the Dodgers.

Oh I didn't see that?

Yea, I like the deal if Boston got out of the money. If real money is sent over, that starts getting strange for me