2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Lee Stone]

Diaz should be competing for the 2B job in spring training, sure. Handing it over to him based on his AAA stat line is another thing altogether. I realize I am alone on this, but I would be intrigued to see Eddy Alvarez get a fair shot at making the team. Yes, he just turned 30, but his entry to baseball was delayed several years by his training for the Olympic speed-skating competition. I see a glimmer of Whit Merrifield in his game. Time will tell. Is he long on years? Of course. He's a golden ager like Dickerson, Rojas, Aguilar, Cooper, and Berti.

[Nick]

Diaz should be competing for the 2B job in spring training, sure. Handing it over to him based on his AAA stat line is another thing altogether. I realize I am alone on this, but I would be intrigued to see Eddy Alvarez get a fair shot at making the team. Yes, he just turned 30, but his entry to baseball was delayed several years by his training for the Olympic speed-skating competition. I see a glimmer of Whit Merrifield in his game. Time will tell. Is he long on years? Of course. He's a golden ager like Dickerson, Rojas, Aguilar, Cooper, and Berti.

el nino, your thoughts on this?

[lou]

el nino, your thoughts on this?

Can I also add there are legitimate 26 and 40 man roster concerns, unless they start cutting the Wallach/Brinson/Sierra/Dugger/Holloway/Mejias of the world, and/or they'd have to ignore Super 2 status issues, to push Isan into AAA right now to add another veteran?

They can certainly clear the space like they did with Dean/Brice/Keller which was nothing short of impressive to get anything for them, but still this adds a layer of complications versus the rather irrelevant performance difference the Marlins would get versus "hypothetically upgrading" Isan.

[Lee Stone]

Can I also add there are legitimate 26 and 40 man roster concerns, unless they start cutting the Wallach/Brinson/Sierra/Dugger/Holloway/Mejias of the world, and/or they'd have to ignore Super 2 status issues, to push Isan into AAA right now to add another veteran?

They can certainly clear the space like they did with Dean/Brice/Keller which was nothing short of impressive to get anything for them, but still this adds a layer of complications versus the rather irrelevant performance difference the Marlins would get versus "hypothetically upgrading" Isan.

There are always layers of complications, but, hypothetically, having a second baseman like Alvarez who switch hits and performs well from either side, and can also play SS or 3B, would seem to complicate things less. Will Diaz find the ability to hit southpaws? I have no idea ... but he may require some platoon assistance.

[rmc523]

I am pretty much done on Brinson as well and i think he is just a kind of AAAA player who has the tools to succeed but just cant put it together, but for the sake of the investment they put in him id give him one more stretch at the beginning of the year. It should be pretty obvious within a month or 2 whether there is anything actually there at the major league level and its not like we are going to contend this year anyways, so i'd just give him one last stretch to show anything. If not, then im perfectly fine calling it a huge bust and just moving on. Again, i dont expect much, i just think in a lost year and given his status as a prospect before the last two years and his obvious talent and physical ability, just give him one more run, dont hit him 8th (give him the 5 or 6 spot), and just see if he can show anything.

As far as villar, i'm cool with just giving him whichever corner outfield spot he feels most comfortable (or just sliding him in at 3b if they want to move anderson to RF). I like him and think he will be a good addition for nothing but money, but there are enough open spots that i think id rather see him in a corner outfield or 3b slot rather than taking ab's from brinson for just 2 months if we arent going to contend regardless.

Even though I've pretty much written off Brinson (and won't read too much into another good spring, should he have one), I'm willing to give him one last shot to see if he can stick. Don't bat him 8th, put him in a better position in the lineup to let him see some better pitches (it's clear he'll flail at anything thrown in the general direction of home plate). If he hits, awesome, there you go. If he continues to fail, banish him to AAA forever or trade him for another change of scenery prospect/player.

[tjfla]

Can I also add there are legitimate 26 and 40 man roster concerns, unless they start cutting the Wallach/Brinson/Sierra/Dugger/Holloway/Mejias of the world, and/or they'd have to ignore Super 2 status issues, to push Isan into AAA right now to add another veteran?

They can certainly clear the space like they did with Dean/Brice/Keller which was nothing short of impressive to get anything for them, but still this adds a layer of complications versus the rather irrelevant performance difference the Marlins would get versus "hypothetically upgrading" Isan.

Alot of 2B still out there if they can get 1 on a Milb deal. Addison Russell,Brad Miller,Holt,Travis,Flores

They might be able to sneak Wallach thru roster cutdown after ST if spot is needed. Be interested to see what they do today/soon first.

I would give Isan the job tho

[lou]

There are always layers of complications, but, hypothetically, having a second baseman like Alvarez who switch hits and performs well from either side, and can also play SS or 3B, would seem to complicate things less. Will Diaz find the ability to hit southpaws? I have no idea ... but he may require some platoon assistance.

You mean VILLAR

I 100% agree Isan needs a platoon partner for this year. Berti killed lefties last year. Done.

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Even though I've pretty much written off Brinson (and won't read too much into another good spring, should he have one), I'm willing to give him one last shot to see if he can stick. Don't bat him 8th, put him in a better position in the lineup to let him see some better pitches (it's clear he'll flail at anything thrown in the general direction of home plate). If he hits, awesome, there you go. If he continues to fail, banish him to AAA forever or trade him for another change of scenery prospect/player.

For me, conceptually speaking, if you are a FV50-60 prospect, I think you get 1,000 PA. Brinson may be so bad, he gets moved down to maybe 900, but that's about it.

He's basically at 700. He has 200+ more PA to show me something before I write him off as a needed change of scenery. This lines up kind of perfectly with Monte's super 2 schedule/all-star break to start 3+ times a week and see what happens. Also fine with him in AAA for awhile and those PA coming in August/September.

And that's it. If he's not hitting over a .725 OPS with good defense in CF/base running, that's it.

[el nino]

el nino, your thoughts on this?

I had never heard of Eddy Alvarez until he was first brought up here recently, but no I wouldn't give away a 26 or 40 man spot to an extra MIF. Isan should be the starter at 2b (at least against righties) unless he completely tanks the offseason and spring training. There was really only one statement that I was taken aback by in this conversation and I included it in my initial post.

[Erick]

We DFA’d Quijada and Jarlin Garcia to make room for Kintzler and Joyce.

[Nick]

We DFA’d Quijada and Jarlin Garcia to make room for Kintzler and Joyce.

That is surprising. I shit on Dean getting DFA'd and then we got a nice prospect for him, though. So I'll wait.

[Erick]

tjfla did not give us the inside information.

[fish16]

Jarlin is surprising but I mentioned quijada as a guy to go last week. He didn’t show anything last year. I’d be interested to hear their thought process for jarlin over Conley

[Nick]

Jarlin is surprising but I mentioned quijada as a guy to go last week. He didn’t show anything last year. I’d be interested to hear their thought process for jarlin over Conley

I'm not saying Quijada's going to be anything great. He probably won't, but we give so much shit to Lee about his preference for older players, Quijada just turned 24, I would think there's some room for growth there.

[fauowls44]

I assume the new 3 batters per pitcher rule played into this decision.

[lou]

I assume the new 3 batters per pitcher rule played into this decision.

You'd think Garcia is perfect as at least a 3rd lefty? I'm surprised by that one. He will easily be traded for something decent.

Quijada not so much. He may clear and that's fine too. Let him pitch in AAA a year.

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This may be a hot take, but maybe Caleb is moving to the bullpen to be a 2-3 inning reliever. He works well with Conley and Tarpley as a nice left handed core, and you can roll out Sandy, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, and Hernandez.

Why not at this point?