2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Erick]

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Veteran OF Matt Joyce has deal with Marlins
6:45 PM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

I assume this is a MiLB deal.

Joyce had a good year last year. If it’s an milb deal, that’s pretty fantastic.

[fauowls44]

This signing makes the most sense if Villar can play CF. Then they can put Anderson at 3B and play Cooper/Joyce in RF.

[Erick]

This signing makes the most sense if Villar can play CF. Then they can put Anderson at 3B and play Cooper/Joyce in RF.

Or even Joyce/Kemp

[lou]

This signing makes the most sense if Villar can play CF. Then they can put Anderson at 3B and play Cooper/Joyce in RF.

That's what I am thinking too

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Or even Joyce/Kemp

There is going to need to be a lot of 40 man tinkering for that. They already need 2 guys moved for Kintzler and Joyce.

I assume most here are DFA'ing Wallach and hope he clears and not crying if he doesn't, and then trading Urena and accepting Yamamoto/Elisier/Dugger as the 4-5 SP until the bigger names arrive. Or trading Conley, and accepting Tarpley and Quijada in the bullpen as the 2-3 lefties.

That pushes Brinson to AAA.

Alfaro, Cervelli
Aguilar, Cooper
Isan
Rojas, Berti
Anderson
Dickerson
Villar, Sierra
Ramirez, Joyce
(40 man AAA-Brinson; Post Super 2 - Lewin and Monte, maybe Sanchez and Jazz)

Honestly this keeps swinging back to Lee's thought - trade Rojas. He's a perfect guy to move in the Wil Myers package. Get the SD prospects, and say fuck it throwing out a CF platoon of Myers/Ramirez/Sierra/Berti and see what happens. Plenty of PA for everyone and Monte comes up in the summer.

[tjfla]

Updated

Seems Joyce deal is a ML contract!!! I hope its a Milb deal myself

So right now 2 guys have to be DFA

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The Marlins are in ongoing negotiations with Sinclair Broadcast Group about a new TV rights contract, reports Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. The parties’ current deal, which will pay the club a league-low $20MM for broadcast rights on Fox Sports’ regional networks in 2020, expires at the end of the season. The figures the parties are discussing for 2021 and beyond are unclear. However, Jackson notes that the Marlins turned down an offer which would’ve paid north of $50MM annually in 2017; that offer was put on the table after the current Bruce Sherman/Derek Jeter group agreed to buy the franchise, but before the franchise sale was completed, and new ownership preferred to negotiate the TV deal on their own. Whether that particular offer (or something higher) is still on the table isn’t known. What is apparent, however, is the new TV contract will be far more lucrative than the old deal, which could spur ownership to significantly increase spending on player payroll (Jackson estimates an extra potential $20MM annually) in future seasons.

[tjfla]

Wallach?
Conley?
Urena?
Cooper?

Which 2 gone now.

Can't 60 Day anyone till March to open spot, Sharp 60 Day and another RP added till July

Also not sure if was said but the Kintzler deal is 1/3 with 4 million option or 250K buyout. So really a 2/7 million dollar deal. Valuable when we trade him in July-can get more for him since already under contract

[fauowls44]

Wallach?
Conley?
Urena?
Cooper?

Which 2 gone now.

Can't 60 Day anyone till March to open spot, Sharp 60 Day and another RP added till July

Also not sure if was said but the Kintzler deal is 1/3 with 4 million option or 250K buyout. So really a 2/7 million dollar deal. Valuable when we trade him in July-can get more for him since already under contract

If Joyce is a ML deal, I assume they finally DFA Wallach and hope he passes through. For the other spot, I would think Conley with the hopes of trading him. Or I wonder if Brinson could be the choice.

[tjfla]

If Joyce is a ML deal, I assume they finally DFA Wallach and hope he passes through. For the other spot, I would think Conley with the hopes of trading him. Or I wonder if Brinson could be the choice.

Thats what I would do but they have options

DFA Wallach and if claimed u see if u can trade him for non 40 man C and just sign a Sucre to Milb deal
DFA Conley and trade him for 500K in IFA $ or some Rookie ball guy

I doubt they do Urena right now

When they DFA Dean they were surprised that about 8 teams called and made offers on him(which is why they got such a solid prospect) but they were also surprised that teams told the FO that they would make the same offer for Cooper. This is why I keep saying Cooper DFA is very very possible

Another guy to watch is Robert Dugger. I dont think they do it BUT they have talked to guys like Jason Vargas on milb deal who could replace Dugger. Dugger is the 6th SP/optioned up AAA guy right now until young better SP are ready and likely long term LR guy

Thing about Wallach is they think they would lose him and FO is concerned about Cervelli and his concussions

As far as DFA go pretty much if they dont think u will be on the team in 2021 u could go.

[fauowls44]

Thats what I would do but they have options

DFA Wallach and if claimed u see if u can trade him for non 40 man C and just sign a Sucre to Milb deal
DFA Conley and trade him for 500K in IFA $ or some Rookie ball guy

I doubt they do Urena right now

When they DFA Dean they were surprised that about 8 teams called and made offers on him(which is why they got such a solid prospect) but they were also surprised that teams told the FO that they would make the same offer for Cooper. This is why I keep saying Cooper DFA is very very possible

Another guy to watch is Robert Dugger. I dont think they do it BUT they have talked to guys like Jason Vargas on milb deal who could replace Dugger. Dugger is the 6th SP/optioned up AAA guy right now until young better SP are ready and likely long term LR guy

Thing about Wallach is they think they would lose him and FO is concerned about Cervelli and his concussions

Yeah, but you can't rely on Wallach because of HIS concussions. Also, I don't think he is very good...at least not irreplaceable. There are any number of all glove catchers available.

[tjfla]

Yeah, but you can't rely on Wallach because of HIS concussions. Also, I don't think he is very good...at least not irreplaceable. There are any number of all glove catchers available.

I 1000% agree with u. I would have DFA Wallach months ago but thats what they said. They dont want to lose him and have nothing in AAA to catch their young arms

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DFA guys who are NOT in 2021 plans and see about "value" around July with guys like Joyce,Dickerson,Kintzler,Cervelli,Villar(if no extension progress)Kemp,other Milb they might sign,RP

[fauowls44]

I 1000% agree with u. I would have DFA Wallach months ago but thats what they said. They dont want to lose him and have nothing in AAA to catch their young arms

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DFA guys who are NOT in 2021 plans and see about "value" around July with guys like Joyce,Dickerson,Kintzler,Cervelli,Villar(if no extension progress)Kemp,other Milb they might sign,RP

I get what they are saying about Wallach, I just don't think the risk is that great where they should DFA a more useful player. To me, he's a backup catcher in AAA, let alone MLB. Add in the concussion issues, and I don't think there is that big a risk that he actually gets claimed. And if he does, oh well. They signed Ryan Lavarnway already and they can always find another AAA catcher.

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The Reds are signing Castellanos. It'll be interesting to see what kind of deal he ended up getting.

[Nick]

Thats what I would do but they have options

DFA Wallach and if claimed u see if u can trade him for non 40 man C and just sign a Sucre to Milb deal
DFA Conley and trade him for 500K in IFA $ or some Rookie ball guy

I doubt they do Urena right now

When they DFA Dean they were surprised that about 8 teams called and made offers on him(which is why they got such a solid prospect) but they were also surprised that teams told the FO that they would make the same offer for Cooper. This is why I keep saying Cooper DFA is very very possible

Another guy to watch is Robert Dugger. I dont think they do it BUT they have talked to guys like Jason Vargas on milb deal who could replace Dugger. Dugger is the 6th SP/optioned up AAA guy right now until young better SP are ready and likely long term LR guy

Thing about Wallach is they think they would lose him and FO is concerned about Cervelli and his concussions

As far as DFA go pretty much if they dont think u will be on the team in 2021 u could go.

Then why freaking sign him? The Backup catchers were somehow across the board good last year. The combination of Holaday, Heineman and Wallach would've been just fine. Probably a bigger upside on Cervelli as a guy who could step in as a starter if Alfaro gets hurt or is just terrible, since Cervelli was actually a good starting catcher as recent as 2018, but like you said there's a lot of risk there.

[fauowls44]

Then why freaking sign him? The Backup catchers were somehow across the board good last year. The combination of Holaday, Heineman and Wallach would've been just fine. Probably a bigger upside on Cervelli as a guy who could step in as a starter if Alfaro gets hurt or is just terrible, since Cervelli was actually a good starting catcher as recent as 2018, but like you said there's a lot of risk there.

I agree that they can't be that concerned since they signed him. I think they knew that it was unlikely that they would get the same production they got from Holaday/Wallach again this year so they went after an upgrade in Cervelli. I just don't see the need in wasting a 40 man spot on someone like Wallach. I'm sure there is a benefit to having someone they trust catching their top prospects in AAA, but I don't think he would be terribly difficult to replace.

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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Castellanos deal is for 4 years believed to be for 16M a year. Plus opt out(s) #reds
9:36 AM · Jan 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

[lou]

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Castellanos deal is for 4 years believed to be for 16M a year. Plus opt out(s) #reds
9:36 AM · Jan 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

This is a missed opportunity if true. He can really hit for that price. I wonder what the opt out is though.

[Nick]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I predicted Castellanos would get.