2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fauowls44]

Never mind on Kim...


Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Marlins were interested in Kim prior to signing Corey Dickerson. The organization now searches the entire globe for offensive options. No longer in on this player, per source.

[tjfla]

They are actually looking for another bat so not as crazy as think BUT looking harder at RP right now. Knitzler,Strop,McHugh,David Phelps-they like Cishek/Will Harris but prices high on both. Likely 1 guy will get ML deal and 3 or 4 others on Milb deals.

When I say another bat I mean like 1 yr few million on vet or Milb deal

[fauowls44]

They are actually looking for another bat so not as crazy as think BUT looking harder at RP right now. Knitzler,Strop,McHugh,David Phelps-they like Cishek/Will Harris but prices high on both. Likely 1 guy will get ML deal and 3 or 4 others on Milb deals.

When I say another bat I mean like 1 yr few million on vet or Milb deal

If they are looking for an extra bat, I actually wouldn't mind bringing Neil Walker back on another 1 year deal. Same with Starlin, but I have to think he's looking for a place he would have more of a chance to start.

As for RP, Strop doesn't seem like he fits the profile of "throws a lot of strikes" that they have focused on this offseason. Kintzler/McHugh/Phelps would seem to be better fits.

[tjfla]

If they are looking for an extra bat, I actually wouldn't mind bringing Neil Walker back on another 1 year deal. Same with Starlin, but I have to think he's looking for a place he would have more of a chance to start.

As for RP, Strop doesn't seem like he fits the profile of "throws a lot of strikes" that they have focused on this offseason. Kintzler/McHugh/Phelps would seem to be better fits.

They want the throws alot of strikes RP but they also want a 9th inning guy. Reality is they would like that in 1 guy but arent paying the price it would cost. Cishek/Harris/Hudson are all asking for crazy amounts right now(Hudson wants to be in DC and Northern States)

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Knitzler,McHugh or Strop on a ML deal and then a David Phelps/others on MilB deal and make the team

As for bats they have a list but most the guys are waiting to see if they get better offers. Walker signed at end of Jan LY-we will prolly be waiting till then again. They would love to sign lots of these guys to Milb deals with invites(like Matt Kemp) but are willing to sign 1 to a ML deal(Jon Jay) Something to remember is Brinson,Dean,Harold,Cooper,Berti all have options which means they have space in Majors for bats the issue is the 40 man.

If needed Sterling Sharp could always "pull" a muscle in March and be out till June . Marlins do this with EVERY Rule 5 guy. This opens up a spot for a RP on a Milb deal

[tjfla]

The arms are pretty easy to settle if need space

Sign 4 or more guys to Milb deals and let them battle if they look good and think have value in July u add them and trade at deadline

60 Day Sharp
Trade Brice/Conley/Urena at anytime. All 3 have value around the league-not gonna bring tons but could get Non 40 man prospects/IFA $

The bats are muddy because lots have options BUT if u DFA any of them they are likely 99% gone. Dean,Brinson,Cooper don't have much trade value BUT would get claimed fast by AL teams especially since they could option them between ML and AAA

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Patrick Saunders of The Denver Post reports that the Rockies are "investigating" trading relievers Jake McGee and Bryan Shaw.

Marlins have had talks with Colorado for these guys plus bats earlier in offseason. Maybe if Colorado throws prospect or 2 we would bite?

Take Shaw and 2 prospects then let Shaw be our Closer. He becomes elite again and then we trade him at deadline for more stuff???

[fauowls44]

Mark Feinsand
@Feinsand
The next two free agents to come off the board could be Will Harris and Robinson Chirinos. Per sources, Harris has multiple multi-year offers worth $6-7M annually, while Chirinos is said to be close to making a decision.
7:41 AM · Jan 2, 2020·Twitter Web App

Harris for 2/$12-14 million seems a bit much for the Marlins to spend. Relievers are so unpredictable, I wouldn't want to end up with another Tazawa situation. I would give him or Cishek a 1 year deal for $6-7 million though.

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They want the throws alot of strikes RP but they also want a 9th inning guy. Reality is they would like that in 1 guy but arent paying the price it would cost. Cishek/Harris/Hudson are all asking for crazy amounts right now(Hudson wants to be in DC and Northern States)

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Knitzler,McHugh or Strop on a ML deal and then a David Phelps/others on MilB deal and make the team

As for bats they have a list but most the guys are waiting to see if they get better offers. Walker signed at end of Jan LY-we will prolly be waiting till then again. They would love to sign lots of these guys to Milb deals with invites(like Matt Kemp) but are willing to sign 1 to a ML deal(Jon Jay) Something to remember is Brinson,Dean,Harold,Cooper,Berti all have options which means they have space in Majors for bats the issue is the 40 man.

If needed Sterling Sharp could always "pull" a muscle in March and be out till June . Marlins do this with EVERY Rule 5 guy. This opens up a spot for a RP on a Milb deal

Jon Jay hasn't been good in a couple of years and is coming off of hip surgery...not sure why he would get a ML deal when there are better bats available.

[Erick]

The arms are pretty easy to settle if need space

Sign 4 or more guys to Milb deals and let them battle if they look good and think have value in July u add them and trade at deadline

60 Day Sharp
Trade Brice/Conley/Urena at anytime. All 3 have value around the league-not gonna bring tons but could get Non 40 man prospects/IFA $

The bats are muddy because lots have options BUT if u DFA any of them they are likely 99% gone. Dean,Brinson,Cooper don't have much trade value BUT would get claimed fast by AL teams especially since they could option them between ML and AAA

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Patrick Saunders of The Denver Post reports that the Rockies are "investigating" trading relievers Jake McGee and Bryan Shaw.

Marlins have had talks with Colorado for these guys plus bats earlier in offseason. Maybe if Colorado throws prospect or 2 we would bite?

Take Shaw and 2 prospects then let Shaw be our Closer. He becomes elite again and then we trade him at deadline for more stuff???

So we’re not willing to spend money in free agency on a reliever but we’d be willing to trade for McGee or Shaw’s contracts? Lol

[fauowls44]

So we’re not willing to spend money in free agency on a reliever but we’d be willing to trade for McGee or Shaw’s contracts? Lol

Well it makes some sense since both have just 1 year left (each has a vesting option I think for an additional year that they obviously wouldn't hit here) and you would be getting an additional asset or two in return for taking on the money. I guess I would be willing to do that rather than sign someone like Harris or Cishek to a multi-year deal.

[Lee Stone]

If they are looking for an extra bat, I actually wouldn't mind bringing Neil Walker back on another 1 year deal. Same with Starlin, but I have to think he's looking for a place he would have more of a chance to start.

As for RP, Strop doesn't seem like he fits the profile of "throws a lot of strikes" that they have focused on this offseason. Kintzler/McHugh/Phelps would seem to be better fits.

With more defensive versatility (ss, 2b, 1b) than Walker, I'd lean to a Brad Miller signing. .894 OPS last season compared to .738 for Walker. Another IF utility option might be Eddy Alvarez, who put up really solid numbers at New Orleans last season.

[fish16]

Am I the only one ok with signing a reliever like cishek to a two year deal? Normally I wouldn’t do that for relievers but he has been remarkably consistent and productive his entire year except of course for the year we decided to trade him. If he pitches to the leve he has for his career you have a nice vet closer option for two years, or you can trade him at this years deadline, in the offseason, or next deadline. You can extract extra value out of a deal this deadline cause more teams would be willing to give up an extra or better prospect if they know the guy is under contract for next year as well. You see that from smaller market teams each year who don’t want to give up a prospect for just 3 months of a guy. Plus his contract would be pretty reasonable, some like like 2 years 10-13 million. I’d do it and just pencil him in as closer for the year and evaluate what the best option would be when the deadline comes around.

[lou]

Am I the only one ok with signing a reliever like cishek to a two year deal? Normally I wouldn’t do that for relievers but he has been remarkably consistent and productive his entire year except of course for the year we decided to trade him. If he pitches to the leve he has for his career you have a nice vet closer option for two years, or you can trade him at this years deadline, in the offseason, or next deadline. You can extract extra value out of a deal this deadline cause more teams would be willing to give up an extra or better prospect if they know the guy is under contract for next year as well. You see that from smaller market teams each year who don’t want to give up a prospect for just 3 months of a guy. Plus his contract would be pretty reasonable, some like like 2 years 10-13 million. I’d do it and just pencil him in as closer for the year and evaluate what the best option would be when the deadline comes around.

Yes. He turns 34 in the middle of next year, has a solid amount of mileage, and had a 4.50 FIP last year.

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With more defensive versatility (ss, 2b, 1b) than Walker, I'd lean to a Brad Miller signing. .894 OPS last season compared to .738 for Walker. Another IF utility option might be Eddy Alvarez, who put up really solid numbers at New Orleans last season.

This ship sailed probably sailed when they got Aguilar.

But if they trade Cooper, he makes logical sense.

If they need anything, it's a CF as right now it's a Berti, Sierra, Ramirez, and Brinson platoon (unless Villar plays CF, then RF is Ramirez and Miller could make some sense to move others around him).

Basically, what are they doing in CF is the question that needs to be answered

[tjfla]

So we’re not willing to spend money in free agency on a reliever but we’d be willing to trade for McGee or Shaw’s contracts? Lol

U would be getting prospects and probably can trade them at deadline for more prospects. If u could get Cishek or Will Harris and 2 mid level prospects for 11 million Miami would be all over it

Its about getting 3 or 4 OTHER assets-Miami doesnt really need a RP its more a luxury. 2021 they have 5 or more guys who will be ML ready. Aiello/Vesia/Stevens/CJ Carter/Holloway/Guzman plus guys already on it

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Am I the only one ok with signing a reliever like cishek to a two year deal? Normally I wouldn’t do that for relievers but he has been remarkably consistent and productive his entire year except of course for the year we decided to trade him. If he pitches to the leve he has for his career you have a nice vet closer option for two years, or you can trade him at this years deadline, in the offseason, or next deadline. You can extract extra value out of a deal this deadline cause more teams would be willing to give up an extra or better prospect if they know the guy is under contract for next year as well. You see that from smaller market teams each year who don’t want to give up a prospect for just 3 months of a guy. Plus his contract would be pretty reasonable, some like like 2 years 10-13 million. I’d do it and just pencil him in as closer for the year and evaluate what the best option would be when the deadline comes around.

We would love Cishek,Hudson or Will Harris but at most a 1 yr plus option. They arent going 2/11-15 million like these guys want because 2021 they see RP as full already. I don't think they do a Colorado trade but its something they are looking at because the guys are on 1 yr deal(options). Spend a little cash/get a prospect or 2 maybe Shaw becomes unhittable again and then trade him for more prospects

We have been offering arms contracts like 1 year OR 1 yr plus option. Bats we were offering 1 yr plus option OR 2 year

2021 Possible Pen
Quijada
Jarlin
Vesia
Steck
Stanek
Brigham
Guzman
Holloway
CJ Carter
Stevens
Aiello

and thats just in the system

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FWIW I think they sign a Knitzler/Strop and then guys like Phelps,injury types to Milb deals and that it. They have "payroll" space however to add 10-15 million

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Something people dont understand is next year(2021) they have a crazy 40 man crunch.Have about 7-10 guys to add and thats NOT counting Will Stewart,Eveld,Dylan Lee,Castano and others who could be added with solid year

[fish16]

Love what the white Sox are doing at least with their prospects. Don’t love the free agents they’ve signed but love the long term extensions for prospects. Luis Robert the latest guy. Would like it to be more than 6 years but I love the way they pay a little more up front in order to have their top prospects under contract for smaller amounts towards the end of the deals, therefore making it a little more possible to keep a consistent contender in tact for a little longer for a small market team rather than having the lindor thing happen where you have to deal them before the last two years of team control.

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And ya I don’t know what I was looking at with cishek but I didn’t recognize the drop off last year.

[lou]

Love what the white Sox are doing at least with their prospects. Don’t love the free agents they’ve signed but love the long term extensions for prospects. Luis Robert the latest guy. Would like it to be more than 6 years but I love the way they pay a little more up front in order to have their top prospects under contract for smaller amounts towards the end of the deals, therefore making it a little more possible to keep a consistent contender in tact for a little longer for a small market team rather than having the lindor thing happen where you have to deal them before the last two years of team control.

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And ya I don’t know what I was looking at with cishek but I didn’t recognize the drop off last year.

Yes, this is why they need to give Anderson the 5/$35 deal plus 6th year option right now. Lock him in and front load it.

Next year, reassess everyone else. No one else should get a deal just yet.

I'd do Cishek for 1/$reasonable though to flip at a deadline as he's a fine guy to bet on, but 2 is just a lot. Still think a lefty makes more sense

[fish16]

I’m all for signing Anderson long term not only cause he’s taken a step and might take another step next year but because he is our only 3b option in essentially the entire system. 3b might be right up there with catcher and 1b as our weakest prospect position and it might be the biggest weakness honesty.

And ya I’d be cool for cishek on one year as our romo of this year but not two, I hadn’t noticed the drop off in his numbers last year although he played in wrigley half the time

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I also don’t see any prospects like Robert or Jimenez who are both close to the bigs and pretty sure fire stars. We have a great system but a lot of that is due to sheer volume of quality prospects. Our top guys are still a little young or injury risks like sixto. Maybe after bleday or jazz shows something this year then I’d consider it next offseason, but for now it’s a little premature.

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Luis Roberts deal apparently will likely be 8/88 after likely options. That’s a phenomenal deal. I feel like these players are short changing themselves a little though between Jimenez, acuna, and a few others. I would not at all be surprised to see phenoms start to get more for these type contracts given that they are likely being drastically underpaid for what they could get during those periods. I understand they are getting sure fire money so it’s a little give and take for both sides of the deal but it’s still a pretty likely wild underpay