2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Lee Stone]

I can foresee something like Wilmer Flores and Brad Miller in free agency. Still dreaming on Corey Dickerson for LF.

[rmc523]

Who is that?

Hensley Muelens - the guy that was going to be our hitting coach.

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I can foresee something like Wilmer Flores and Brad Miller in free agency. Still dreaming on Corey Dickerson for LF.

You have strange dreams.

[rmc523]

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/m...237680654.html

This offseason, Jeter said, will be a “juggling act.”

“We must be responsible, I think is the best way to put it,” the CEO said. “This is going to be a challenging year for us in terms of we’re going to have to make sure that we’re filling gaps, we’re not blocking the young prospects that we have because we have a lot of them coming and they’re going to be here soon, so we want to make sure that they have that opportunity, but we have to stick with the plan and our plan is to build a system the right way, which we’ve made a lot of progress in two years.

“We have our plan. We’re going to stick to our plan, preach patience — don’t have much — but it’s our job to get better and improve, year in and year out.”

It doesn’t mean the team won’t spend at all, though.

A reporter Monday outside Marlins Park started to ask Jeter what would happen if there was a free agent target the team really liked. Jeter quickly interjected before the question even started to form.

“We’ll go get him,” he said. “If a guy fits with our plan and what we’re trying to do, we’ll go get him. I should say, make an attempt to get him.”

While Jeter didn’t dive into any specific players the team might target, he did say the front office has already had discussions about potential targets.

As important as the actual ability of the player is figuring out how he would fit in with Miami’s timeline. A long-term contract would have to be for a player young enough to be contributing multiple years down the road and a short-term contract would have to be handed out with the awareness some young players might be due for more playing time by the end of the 2020 season.

“We sit down, we have these conversations moving forward, what players we want to to go after. Obviously, it has to be the right fit,” Jeter said. “It has to fit with our long-term plan.”

I'm still in a "believe it when I see it" mode, and preparing myself for the inevitable "we tried to sign guys" but only come away with the Grandersons of the world. If there's a guy out there that fits a need that can be part of the longer-term core, you should sign him now and front load it while you have the financial flexibility. Who cares about blocking a prospect. Obviously you don't want to do that at most/all positions, but if you block one or two, who cares? They're not surefire things anyway - we don't have a Harper or Tatis that are consensus top guys. So then, you have 3 options if that prospect becomes that good: 1) you find a spot for him, 2) you trade the guy blocking said prospect for something you need, or 3) trade the prospect for another position of need.

It's crazy how much of the payroll Chen is taking up, and how little the payroll is. Gotta pay off that debt.

[fauowls44]

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Not only do I expect the Marlins to spend money this offseason, I believe they could soon. 2 bats. Bullpen arms etc. They won’t be of the longer term variety but they will add. It’s coming. (FA/Trades)

[lou]

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Not only do I expect the Marlins to spend money this offseason, I believe they could soon. 2 bats. Bullpen arms etc. They won’t be of the longer term variety but they will add. It’s coming. (FA/Trades)

Two backups and two relievers isn't spending money.

I'd have more confidence if they said we're investing $20 million in Apple stock and will use the proceeds in 2022, in addition to whatever other payroll is authorized by ownership.

[Lee Stone]

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Not only do I expect the Marlins to spend money this offseason, I believe they could soon. 2 bats. Bullpen arms etc. They won’t be of the longer term variety but they will add. It’s coming. (FA/Trades)

Seeing that Jon Berti is the most usable outfielder on the roster right now, I assume some OF help is forthcoming.

[Nick]

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Not only do I expect the Marlins to spend money this offseason, I believe they could soon. 2 bats. Bullpen arms etc. They won’t be of the longer term variety but they will add. It’s coming. (FA/Trades)

There's no reason they shouldn't be going after guys that are "of the longer term variety". So little of our long term roster is set in stone. Almost none of it is, the concern should not be blocking guys who are by no means a sure thing. If they are good enough we'll find room, and if there isn't room, Zac Gallen the guy and get a piece that is a better fit.

Make no mistake, if we don't go out and sign a long-term piece or trade for a long term piece. The reason is they don't want to spend the money.

[Lee Stone]

There's no reason they shouldn't be going after guys that are "of the longer term variety". So little of our long term roster is set in stone. Almost none of it is, the concern should not be blocking guys who are by no means a sure thing. If they are good enough we'll find room, and if there isn't room, Zac Gallen the guy and get a piece that is a better fit.

Make no mistake, if we don't go out and sign a long-term piece or trade for a long term piece. The reason is they don't want to spend the money.

I only wish that we had other prospects/youngsters performing as well as Gallen did last season.

[rmc523]

There's no reason they shouldn't be going after guys that are "of the longer term variety". So little of our long term roster is set in stone. Almost none of it is, the concern should not be blocking guys who are by no means a sure thing. If they are good enough we'll find room, and if there isn't room, Zac Gallen the guy and get a piece that is a better fit.

Make no mistake, if we don't go out and sign a long-term piece or trade for a long term piece. The reason is they don't want to spend the money.

Two backups and two relievers isn't spending money.

I'd have more confidence if they said we're investing $20 million in Apple stock and will use the proceeds in 2022, in addition to whatever other payroll is authorized by ownership.

100% agree with both of you.

Sign one long term piece, and then you can phone in the rest with whatever. But show that you're progressing toward something.

[Nick]

I only wish that we had other prospects/youngsters performing as well as Gallen did last season.

I mean, Sixto and Edward Cabrera were pretty damn fantastic last year, and both have much higher ceilings than Gallen.

[fish16]

I can foresee something like Wilmer Flores and Brad Miller in free agency. Still dreaming on Corey Dickerson for LF.

Not gonna lie lee, that might set the record for most pathetic thing to dream about

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Give me one of Pineda or Teheran, then Dickerson or castellanos, and two get bullpen arms who we can flip again and I’d be happy with the offseason.

[fish16]

Nick Anderson was the best RP move in baseball last year, and turned into a top 40 position player prospect. A++++++++++

I think the idea is, this is locked at 35:

Alfaro, Wallach (2)
Cooper, L. Diaz (2)
I. Diaz, Berti (2)
Rojas, Jazz (2)
Anderson (1)
Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
Ramirez, Dean, J. Sanchez (3)
=15
Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, Sixto, E. Cabrera, Neidert, Dugger (9)
Steckenrider, Stanek, Brice, Brigham, E. Hernandez, Guzman (6)
Garcia, Conley, Quijada (3)
=18
Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=2

They need 3 bats (starting 3B/OF, backup 1B/3B, backup 2B/SS/3B) and 2 arms (Innings eater/Reliever; Reliever) for the 25 man roster.

Is it better to sneak those guys through waivers when all teams are trying to sneak those guys through waivers right now, or cut them in January after you make a signing? Probably a better chance right now of them clearing. I think this is the plan.

If they didn't need the FA, I heavily suspect Stewart, Castano, D. Lee, and Eveld would have been selected over Keller, Kinley, Guerrero, and Moran.

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I can see them bringing in Torreyes on a MiLB deal. Ex-Yankee, slick fielding. 1.8 career WAR in 621 PA - https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.asp...ition=2B/3B/SS

Fight for the backup 2B/SS/3B job and a backup plan if someone gets hurt

Agreed on Anderson, I was the one literally arguing with you that they should have traded him, I was talking about most of their other moves though in terms of guys in the roster bubble and who they have kept vs who they haven’t kept. Just has been some weird choices like Wittgren and others. But again they know more than me who is just looking at pure stats vs stuff and their actions in the locker room.

I think that Anderson Richards move is going to be an amazing move long term and one that works out very nicely for both sides. If there is going to be a team who can use Richards absolutely perfectly it will be Tampa

[Lee Stone]

Not gonna lie lee, that might set the record for most pathetic thing to dream about

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Give me one of Pineda or Teheran, then Dickerson or castellanos, and two get bullpen arms who we can flip again and I’d be happy with the offseason.

Most pathetic indeed. Dickerson had higher OPS than Bryce Harper.

[Nick]

Most pathetic indeed. Dickerson had higher OPS than Bryce Harper.

260 ABs, he'll be around an .800 OPS guy over a full season, which is fine, we could definitely use a guy like that, but he's not a game changer. He's in the same conversation as Ozuna and Castellanos, just a little older.

[tjfla]

Still looking at trades BUT looking alot like the first FA signing and could be soon is gonna be Avisail Garcia

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Two backups and two relievers isn't spending money.

I'd have more confidence if they said we're investing $20 million in Apple stock and will use the proceeds in 2022, in addition to whatever other payroll is authorized by ownership.

Sounding like Avisail Garcia,2 arms and LHB like Brock Holt or Corey Dickerson. Gonna end up depending on if they get Greg Bird or not who last guy is

The last guy could be Holt,Dickerson,Smoak,Calhoun ALL LHB. They are hoping to get Greg Bird and news should happen soon on him too