2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[rmc523]

Simple - you don't.

[sports24/7]

Abreu gets 3 years at $50M to stay with the White Sox, so he's no longer an option.

Am I starting to get my hopes up, only to be disappointed that the Marlins end up with Castellanos?

[rmc523]

Abreu gets 3 years at $50M to stay with the White Sox, so he's no longer an option.

Am I starting to get my hopes up, only to be disappointed that the Marlins end up with Castellanos?

Abreu already wasn't an option, as he had accepted the QO. This deal overrides that QO.

[fish16]

Abreu for that amount and that many years is just an unbelievably stupid contract. Sox have most disappointing team next year written all over them

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Abreu gets 3 years at $50M to stay with the White Sox, so he's no longer an option.

Am I starting to get my hopes up, only to be disappointed that the Marlins end up with Castellanos?

I’d rather end up with nothing than signing castellanos for more than 2 years

[lou]

Simple - you don't.

This

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How high do you go in a bidding war for LF Corey Dickerson? 131 OPS+ and 2018 NL Gold Glove winner. I'd be willing to spend $25M in Marlin bucks for THREE years - because that's what I think it will take. I see him as a perfect fit.

He's only a fit on a "1" year deal as they need some lefty help this year. Sort of. In 2022, they might have Diaz, Diaz, Jazz, Sanchez, and Bleday in the lineup and that is unacceptable redundancy (versus a right handed bat).

The best idea is still:
-longterm RHP bat for 1B/3B/OF
-1 year backup lefty for 1B/OF
-1 year backup 2B/SS/3B, preferably a lefty

Alfaro, Wallach
Cooper, "Lefty backup" (eventually Lewin)
Isan, "Preferably 2B/3B type that is a lefty" (eventually Jazz if he is ready)
Rojas, Berti
Anderson
Castellanos
Sierra, Brinson (with Berti pitching in, eventually Monte)
Ramirez (eventually Sanchez)

That's a good plan for 2020 and 2022 IMO

[rmc523]

I have a feeling it's just going to be a repeat of last year.

[fish16]

I have a feeling it's just going to be a repeat of last year.

That would be fine. It’s better to not spend and roll the ball over to next year with your top 3-5 farm system than to spend foolishly and unwisely for the sake of spending money while ruining your ability to spend the money intelligently next year. Signing castellanos for more than 2 years given our outfield farm system depth would be beyond stupid. The guy just isn’t anything g special and signing him to a big contract when you can get his type of production for cheap would be a stupid move.

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Still not sure why the lefty thing is an issue to Lou. First off, not all of them will work out so worrying about that 3 years in advance is foolish, and second, if they all can hit both lefties and righties and aren’t platoon only guys to begin with it doesn’t really matter. What matters is whether they are quality players, the fact that we might have 5-6 lefties in a lineup is completely overthinking it this far in advance

[Namaste]

Calling guys with back to back 3 WAR seasons “nothing special”. So basically if you don’t have a WAR north of 5 you’re a nobody.

[rmc523]

That would be fine. It’s better to not spend and roll the ball over to next year with your top 3-5 farm system than to spend foolishly and unwisely for the sake of spending money while ruining your ability to spend the money intelligently next year. Signing castellanos for more than 2 years given our outfield farm system depth would be beyond stupid. The guy just isn’t anything g special and signing him to a big contract when you can get his type of production for cheap would be a stupid move.

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Still not sure why the lefty thing is an issue to Lou. First off, not all of them will work out so worrying about that 3 years in advance is foolish, and second, if they all can hit both lefties and righties and aren’t platoon only guys to begin with it doesn’t really matter. What matters is whether they are quality players, the fact that we might have 5-6 lefties in a lineup is completely overthinking it this far in advance

It really isn't "beyond stupid" as you keep saying. But agree to disagree.

Nobody is saying throw the Brinks truck at him and offer him a 7-year 150M deal.

[sports24/7]

I have a feeling it's just going to be a repeat of last year.

I don't think it will be a repeat of last year. They've been way too loud about saying they're going to spend money. I think more likely will be that they spend money on mediocre players that don't move the needle, but allow them to say they went out and spent money to try to get better. Ultimately, I think that would be worse than a repeat of last year, though.

[rmc523]

I don't think it will be a repeat of last year. They've been way too loud about saying they're going to spend money. I think more likely will be that they spend money on mediocre players that don't move the needle, but allow them to say they went out and spent money to try to get better. Ultimately, I think that would be worse than a repeat of last year, though.

Yeah. That too. It'll either be a couple washed up guys or what you say. it won't be signing a guy they should sign.

[lou]

That would be fine. It’s better to not spend and roll the ball over to next year with your top 3-5 farm system than to spend foolishly and unwisely for the sake of spending money while ruining your ability to spend the money intelligently next year. Signing castellanos for more than 2 years given our outfield farm system depth would be beyond stupid. The guy just isn’t anything g special and signing him to a big contract when you can get his type of production for cheap would be a stupid move.

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Still not sure why the lefty thing is an issue to Lou. First off, not all of them will work out so worrying about that 3 years in advance is foolish, and second, if they all can hit both lefties and righties and aren’t platoon only guys to begin with it doesn’t really matter. What matters is whether they are quality players, the fact that we might have 5-6 lefties in a lineup is completely overthinking it this far in advance

So let's not spend for "4+" seasons (no one good next year in FA) as an ownership group, and trading away double MVPs and another top 25 player in baseball during that span? This is a foolish way to run a business. They cleared the deck. They can sign/trade for guys that support the prospects and not block them. BUILD for now and later.

Maybe you missed the MASSIVE baseball rule change too, but pitchers don't come in for 1 batter now. If you can stack your lineup and have a deep R/L core, you can really deploy hellfire on other pitchers who may not necessarily have immune splits like a batter does. Who besides Anderson, and maybe Monte and Alfaro, do you consider a longterm starter and can hit right handed? Noting Monte is an extremely low probability of working out, and Alfaro is average at best at the moment and has a big strikeout issue to overcome to move into an above average tier? They need someone longterm who is a legitimate righty. This isn't difficult. It's a big need, unless Monte is just great and Alfaro takes some kind of step forward. The lefties are certainly covered as enough of them will work out.

Castellanos is quality whether you want to acknowledge it or not. You need to get over that threshold issue. Good players who are solid starters cost $15 million in baseball these days. You've been looking at Marlins payroll strategy for a decade and not the bigger industry picture.

[rmc523]

They need to show progress, and I don't know if any of the prospects they're talking about are sure-fire hits (guys like Harper or Bryant that are universally regarded as "that guy") to the point where they should be worrying about blocking any of them.

And if you do block a guy that breaks out, you will find a spot for him. Either that or you trade that guy for another piece you need.

It really isn't that hard.

[lou]

Mariners AA 1B has a larger contract than anyone on the Marlins - https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-year-24m-deal

I'd say they can afford some real guys

[fish16]

Id like to see us sign either Pineda or Teheran to a 2 year 10-12 million a year deal. I think those are 2 guys that would be really effective in Marlins park and give us a little more rotation stablity for a few years. and if you dont contend as quickly as you think you can deal them.

Then get a corner outfielder of your choosing (Dickerson, Castellanos, etc), and sign 2 veteran bullpen arms like Romo from last year and run it back for this year and just evaluate the guys and have a bunch of different prospects come up during the course of next season- (Sixto, Cabrera, sanchez, diaz, jazz, neidert, monte).

By the end of next year ideally youd be trotting out a roster of

C- Alfaro
1b- Diaz
2b- Diaz
SS- Jazz/Rojas
3b- Anderson
OF- Dickerson/Castellanos
OF- Sanchez
OF- Monte

SP- Sixto, Sandy, Smith, Lopez, and then Neidert, Urena, Cabrera, with Garrett and Rogers also in AA all of next year not far off.
and then any combination of relievers. That reminds me a lot of the cubs that year before they really turned it around.