2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[lou]

Also, Oakland had a $96 million payroll opening day in 2019 to note.

That gets you Wheeler and Castellanos for 3-4 years, Castro for 2, and Romo and Walker for 1. Trade Urena to help with that and recoup a bullpen lefty or a better longterm backup catcher. I don't care about losing their 3rd and 4th overall draft pick in 2020. Max out the first two and be aggressive in IFA.

That would maintain an $80 millionish payroll from 20-22 (which is bottom 5-6 in the league in 2019 dollars) doing nothing as the kids graduate. There is certainly room to add if they get SP/Jazz/Sanchez breakouts that dictate they need to go for it immediately.

This is a BUILD right? Not a re-build?

[Erick]

Being a fan of this team is...what’s the word I’m looking for?

[sports24/7]

That could also just mean they don't want to give up a pick for Ozuna specifically. Whereas a guy like Cole or Rendon are in a different tier, so they'd warrant giving up the pick.

That said, I think the "pick bar" is quite high meaning there are only a few (if not only those two) that can eclipse that value of the pick.

Just to note, Keuchel can't have a QO, as he had one last year and you can only be offered a QO once now.

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Frisaro is reporting this:

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That was how I read it, too. You would hope for the right player, they’d give up a pick. I still don’t trust that they’re going to spend at all, though, until they do.

[tjfla]

I listened to Mish last pod (swings and Mishes) and he said flat out the marlins don't plan on spending this offseason and going forwards they plan to operate like the Oakland. Why do you guys think they will spend any money ? have there been any indications of this?

Because they have to. Oakland is among the lowest payrolls every year however it is still between 80-100 million. Like lou mentioned our payroll right now is 40-45 million-are they gonna sign 7 guys NO but they should sign 2 or 3 and maybe 1 or 2 vet min

Castellanos
SP like 1/8 or 2nd yr option
Castro type or even Castro
Romo
LHB like Neil Walker this year

these are reasonable targets and what they want

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That was how I read it, too. You would hope for the right player, they’d give up a pick. I still don’t trust that they’re going to spend at all, though, until they do.

This year they are gonna be cautious. Now if they can get a Cole or Rendon sure they would give a pick up BUT 2020 is the last year in their eyes that they can add as much talent as possible without worrying about stuff. Trade whatever to get whatever/draft as many BPA as they can/sign IFA and go over pool $(they will ALWAYS spend as much as possible in draft and IFA however)

They would love to get another draft pick and IFA cash this offseason but the "Start" for them isn't until 2021. This year they just want to improve some and see who else can stick

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Another option and have heard very real option instead of Castellanos is a trade with Boston for JD or Betts. Devers/OF like Jerar/Pompey and SP prospect or even Urena or Brice/Steck/Stanek

They can trade a SP prospect if needed and replace them with #3 overall pick. Devers and OF are easily replaceable with guys in system already

[The Canadian]

The Marlins will offer Devers/Jerar and a Braxton Garrett type for Mookie Betts?

[Nick]

I just don't see the point of trading for Betts if you're not going to sign him to an extension that would probably worth in the same neighborhood if not more than what Anthony Rendon is about to get.

[rmc523]

and it won't happen unless a guy has an all-star level season, which isn't realistic. We couldn't even deal 29-year old Starlin Castro on the last year of his contract.

You don't have to have a guy have an all star level season to get something of value. And you won't get any value unless you sign guys.

That was how I read it, too. You would hope for the right player, they’d give up a pick. I still don’t trust that they’re going to spend at all, though, until they do.

Yeah, they don't get the benefit of the doubt until they actually spend money.

I just don't see the point of trading for Betts if you're not going to sign him to an extension that would probably worth in the same neighborhood if not more than what Anthony Rendon is about to get.

I agree. Otherwise, you're only getting him for a year. A year that doesn't matter. If we were clear contenders and going for it in 2020, I'd understand such a move. But I'd be hesitant to trade too much for something like that unless you can couple it with some sort of extension, which I don't see happening, as he's expressed an interest in reaching free agency. I don't think he's closed the door to an extension from Boston, but would otherwise be good with reaching free agency......why would he want to right away sign an extension here? Unless we give a blown away offer. Just seems like a very risky plan.

[Nick]

You don't have to have a guy have an all star level season to get something of value. And you won't get any value unless you sign guys.

The problem is, for a guy to take a scab 1-year contract in the first place, that means that they already don't have a lot of value in the eyes of the league. So they're going to have to play way above their heads to warrant any type of value at the deadline, which is the point I'm trying to make. Yeah every once in awhile you get a legit guy who will take a one-year deal because they're not getting the huge deal they want, and want to try again next year. Kinda like Pudge in 2003, but that doesn't happen very often.

[rmc523]

The problem is, for a guy to take a scab 1-year contract in the first place, that means that they already don't have a lot of value in the eyes of the league. So they're going to have to play way above their heads to warrant any type of value at the deadline, which is the point I'm trying to make. Yeah every once in awhile you get a legit guy who will take a one-year deal because they're not getting the huge deal they want, and want to try again next year. Kinda like Pudge in 2003, but that doesn't happen very often.

I totally get it. But I think you should try as long as you don't pay outrageous prices for guys.

[Nick]

I totally get it. But I think you should try as long as you don't pay outrageous prices for guys.

I just had a problem last season with continuing to throw Granderson out there despite him hitting .180. Just give a longer look to Austin Dean he's not going to do any worse. If you bring one of these guys in, you give them a short leash, and you move on if it's not working out.

[rmc523]

I just had a problem last season with continuing to throw Granderson out there despite him hitting .180. Just give a longer look to Austin Dean he's not going to do any worse. If you bring one of these guys in, you give them a short leash, and you move on if it's not working out.

I'd agree with that as well. After a while you just have to cut bait and realize it's not working.




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Fredi Gonzalez decided to pursue other opportunities and won't be back next year. We did agree to 2020 contracts for both Hillman and Stottlemyre, Jr. though.

[andre0814]

I just don't see the point of trading for Betts if you're not going to sign him to an extension that would probably worth in the same neighborhood if not more than what Anthony Rendon is about to get.

Mookie is going to get closer to Trout than Rendon in free agency I would love it he's a generational player but its unrealistic

[tjfla]

I'd agree with that as well. After a while you just have to cut bait and realize it's not working.




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Fredi Gonzalez decided to pursue other opportunities and won't be back next year. We did agree to 2020 contracts for both Hillman and Stottlemyre, Jr. though.

Nice to see Hillman back. Guess they told him he will get a shot at the Manager job eventually. Names to watch probably NEXT year(2021) are Hillman/Keith Johnson/Chris Duncan and whoever is bench coach(Posada?)

[Nick]

Mookie is going to get closer to Trout than Rendon in free agency I would love it he's a generational player but its unrealistic

I think you underestimate how much Rendon is about to get.

[tjfla]

I just don't see the point of trading for Betts if you're not going to sign him to an extension that would probably worth in the same neighborhood if not more than what Anthony Rendon is about to get.

Well they would wanna resign him. The thought process is trade for Betts talk extension all year and hope by end of year he buys into the "plan". He is gonna get paid and Marlins have tons of $$ to spend

Devers/OF and SP(NOT Top guy like Sixto/Cabrera/Garrett) is not a high price to pay for a Betts rental. Trade 3 guys all can easily be replaced(#3 pick for SP/Cappe for Devers/draft a College OF early)