Marlins trade Justin Bour to Phillies

[Nick]

Can sign LoMo or some other 1B in offseason

There is absolutely no reason to believe they'll sign a 1B in the offseason.

[Lee Stone]

There is absolutely no reason to believe they'll sign a 1B in the offseason.

Not absolutely - but unlikely. I wouldn't mind acquiring a 1b in a trade ... Like Realmuto to Dbacks for Chisholm, Varsho, Wilson and 1b Kevin Cron.

[Namaste]

And to clarify, I don’t mind moving Bour. We’re terrible anyway. But find a scenario where somehow you acquire more than some teams 32nd best prospect. Send more money. They can send more money, right?

[dim]

The Marlins have always found a way to be 1 full year behind on trading their players. Somehow David Phelps is one of the few exceptions to the rule. Bour is just another example of the reason the Marlins are one of two franchises to not make the playoffs in the last fifteen years. Should've unloaded him at the Winter Meetings when they had the chance.

[Finsanity]

There is absolutely no reason to believe they'll sign a 1B in the offseason.

Why? They gave 3.25M to Maybin... for no apparent reason. It's a buyer's market for CI these days in FA.

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I'm surprised Arizona didn't make a play for Realmuto. They had an interesting mix of prospects.

If it's true we turned down an offer from the Nationals that included Soto... I think we made a huge mistake. Realmuto is a very nice catcher - a catcher that you're looking to for 15-20 HR, a decent average, solid defense and... he's still a catcher. High-risk position. Remember when Gary Sanchez was the second coming? He was a .200 hitter (when healthy) this season. Didn't Buster Posey used to be good? Yadi? Catching is a meat-grinder. Soto could have been a middle of the order guy for years to come. Face of the franchise.

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Ortega’s ceiling is as a 4th OF.

Coming into this weekend, that certainly looked to be the case. That guy passes the eye test though, and in a big way. He's kind of like everything Sierra isn't, imo. He looks dangerous at the plate. When you step in and turn Thor's 98 around enough to jerk a HR foul down the RF line... you've got bat speed that's going to play at the big league level. While not a track guy, his speed is more than adequate. While not showing pop in the minors, the ball jumps off his bat, and Marlins Park is a gap hitter's field anyway... Now admittedly, the moving from New Orleans to Miami is a step down in attendance and atmosphere (that's sarcasm... sort of), you have to love his moxie stepping into a major league batter's box.

To my eye, Ortega > Brinson moving forward... and it's not close. Actually, that's not fair to Ortega. Everyone looks better than Brinson. I have no idea where this OF is headed next year, but Ortega is my new favorite at the plate.

P.S. Mattingly still sucks. Nice job moving Realmuto over to 2nd after his lead-off single in the 9th down 1.

[fish16]

Ortega's plate discipline numbers are indicative of someone who can survive on the roster long term. Wont be a stater but if he has the ability to play all 3 OF spots with good OBP and some speed then he is a 4th OF guy for a few years.

[lou]

If it's true we turned down an offer from the Nationals that included Soto... I think we made a huge mistake. Realmuto is a very nice catcher - a catcher that you're looking to for 15-20 HR, a decent average, solid defense and... he's still a catcher. High-risk position. Remember when Gary Sanchez was the second coming? He was a .200 hitter (when healthy) this season. Didn't Buster Posey used to be good? Yadi? Catching is a meat-grinder. Soto could have been a middle of the order guy for years to come. Face of the franchise.



Coming into this weekend, that certainly looked to be the case. That guy passes the eye test though, and in a big way. He's kind of like everything Sierra isn't, imo. He looks dangerous at the plate. When you step in and turn Thor's 98 around enough to jerk a HR foul down the RF line... you've got bat speed that's going to play at the big league level. While not a track guy, his speed is more than adequate. While not showing pop in the minors, the ball jumps off his bat, and Marlins Park is a gap hitter's field anyway... Now admittedly, the moving from New Orleans to Miami is a step down in attendance and atmosphere (that's sarcasm... sort of), you have to love his moxie stepping into a major league batter's box.

To my eye, Ortega > Brinson moving forward... and it's not close. Actually, that's not fair to Ortega. Everyone looks better than Brinson. I have no idea where this OF is headed next year, but Ortega is my new favorite at the plate.

P.S. Mattingly still sucks. Nice job moving Realmuto over to 2nd after his lead-off single in the 9th down 1.

Yikes.

Buster Posey is going to have another 3+ WAR season this year - which is good - and that's 9 years in a row of being awesome (excepting only Scott Cousins). Yadier Molina has been really good for over the last 10 years. Yes catchers wear down, but holy jesus did you pick two terrible worst of all time examples. These are hall of fame catchers.

If anything, I would say Realmuto has a great shot at being productive through his prime years. He is a converted catcher and has lesser wear and tear teenage/early 20 years, and is obviously an athlete. I believe he clocks in the top 50 fastest players in baseball. That's players overall. He's in great shape and he doesn't have the build where that is changing. He's worth the risk, and they can always Biggio him if need be. He'll be useful anywhere if this batting holds up.

Gary Sanchez and his sub .200 BABIP are also going to be fine. Silly.

I think it's also safest to say I was highest on Ortega coming into the year, but it's crazy to put him above Brinson. It's really not even close. Brinson has every tool needed to become a starter, and Ortega is a bench outfielder profile. Who knows what happens, but this is just a patently ridiculous position. -0- people in baseball take Ortega over Brinson today. If Brinson's June is for real and the defense corrects itself, the Marlins have a 3+ WAR starter in CF.

[Finsanity]

Yikes.
holy jesus did you pick two terrible worst of all time examples. These are hall of fame catchers.

That was my point. Two hall of fame catchers... who are also replaceable parts in the machine. Posey had a great 2014. Otherwise, he's never driven in 100, numbers look kind of like how you'd expect Realmuto to play out. Molina same thing. More glove, less bat. Career high of 82 RBI. Meh. For me, I'd take Holaday & Soto over Realmuto & whichever of our OF.

Brinson's tools don't help in the dugout, after striking out. Again. Brinson could be great... if only he could hit.

[lou]

That was my point. Two hall of fame catchers... who are also replaceable parts in the machine. Posey had a great 2014. Otherwise, he's never driven in 100, numbers look kind of like how you'd expect Realmuto to play out. Molina same thing. More glove, less bat. Career high of 82 RBI. Meh

You must exclusively play fantasy baseball, because this is probably the dumbest thing I have ever read on a baseball message board

[Lee Stone]

You must exclusively play fantasy baseball, because this is probably the dumbest thing I have ever read on a baseball message board

Finsanity has a point. A couple journeymen catchers like Atlanta's Flowers and Suzuki can share time and put up roughly equivalent numbers to Realmuto (even better last year). Not only that, there is better coverage in case of an injury to one. I'd never pay big bucks to keep Realmuto around after age 30. I would certainly have traded JT for Robles but I have no idea (nor does anyone else) what the Nationals may have offered. I only read that they wouldn't deal Robles or Soto, and even that was probably speculation.

[lou]

Finsanity has a point. A couple journeymen catchers like Atlanta's Flowers and Suzuki can share time and put up roughly equivalent numbers to Realmuto (even better last year). Not only that, there is better coverage in case of an injury to one. I'd never pay big bucks to keep Realmuto around after age 30. I would certainly have traded JT for Robles but I have no idea (nor does anyone else) what the Nationals may have offered. I only read that they wouldn't deal Robles or Soto, and even that was probably speculation.

No he doesn't have a point. And that's assuming you aren't Finsanity as I have my doubts. I hope someone moderating this can track the IPs.

RBIs are not a good way to measure player's value. Buster and Molina are awesome for so many reasons.

You cannot replace a generational decade long 4 WAR catcher. You can count them on one hand every decade. The replacement level of other positions is much higher.

Cherry picking another team getting extremely lucky with players isn't an appreciable argument versus keeping good baseball players. You're not going to get the 7th and 9th rated player at their position (suzuki and flowers last year) for basically free and cheap in free agency. That's a kudos to Atlanta for doing the improbable, not a strategy to build teams. It's not an either/or. That is a once in a generation (literally) acquisition by the Braves

It's fine if you want to argue against longer contracts to catchers because they wear down, but the notion those guys are replaceable because of low RBIs or because Kurt Suzuki is having a good year is beyond stupid. Realmuto is insanely valuable. They will need to acquire a top 30 overall player in baseball to match his value, or get 2 Anderson's and a Steckenrider. That's tough.

[Nick]

Lee seems to have found a kindred spirit in this Finsanity fella. What are the chances?

[lou]

Lee seems to have found a kindred spirit in this Finsanity fella. What are the chances?

Finkle is Einhorn

[Lee Stone]

Lee seems to have found a kindred spirit in this Finsanity fella. What are the chances?

I'm guessing that there are many, many fans (and baseball execs) who would not bet a huge contract on the resiliency of a catcher.

[Nick]

I'm guessing that there are many, many fans (and baseball execs) who would not bet a huge contract on the resiliency of a catcher.

This is definitely the only thing you 2 have in common.