Juan Rodriguez's Top 50 Marlins of All Time

[Swifty]

You know what, Fritz?

I think Hermida belongs in the top 50.

If Lowell's a consensus top 10 Marlin, Hermida's career "percentage" stats and not volume stats place him easily in the top 50.

Just some numbers to think about (because I had no clue it was this close):

Fan Favorite Mike Lowell: Marlins OPS .801 (11th all time)
Fan Pariah Jeremy Hermida: Marlins OPS .774 (12th all time)

Fan Favorite Jeff Conine: Marlins SLG: .455 (11th all time)
Fan Pariah Jeremy Hermida: Marlins SLG: .429 (13th all time)

Fan Favorite Mike Lowell: Marlins OBP: .339 (15th all time)
Fan Pariah Jeremy Hermida: Marlins OBP: .346 (12th all time)

Fan Favorite Mike Lowell: Marlins AVG: .272 (12th all time)
Fan Pariah Jeremy Hermida: Marlins AVG: .266 (14th all time)

I'm going to say Hermida, and just the common perception of Hermida, really disguise the fact we've got a solidly average big leaguer on our hands. He's top 50, sorry Quilvio .

[Jewbility]

and anyway, Chucky Carr got 50+ in '93 (and I know the argument)

[Omar]

You know what, Fritz?

I think Hermida belongs in the top 50.

If Lowell's a consensus top 10 Marlin, Hermida's career "percentage" stats and not volume stats place him easily in the top 50.

Just some numbers to think about (because I had no clue it was this close):

Fan Favorite Mike Lowell: Marlins OPS .801 (11th all time)
Fan Pariah Jeremy Hermida: Marlins OPS .774 (12th all time)

Fan Favorite Jeff Conine: Marlins SLG: .455 (11th all time)
Fan Pariah Jeremy Hermida: Marlins SLG: .429 (13th all time)

Fan Favorite Mike Lowell: Marlins OBP: .339 (15th all time)
Fan Pariah Jeremy Hermida: Marlins OBP: .346 (12th all time)

Fan Favorite Mike Lowell: Marlins AVG: .272 (12th all time)
Fan Pariah Jeremy Hermida: Marlins AVG: .266 (14th all time)

I'm going to say Hermida, and just the common perception of Hermida, really disguise the fact we've got a solidly average big leaguer on our hands. He's top 50, sorry Quilvio .

While the offensive stats for Lowell and Hermida may be similar, Mike Lowell for an extended period of time was also MLB's all time leader in fielding percentage at third base and won a GG while here.

[Bobbob1313]

I would have no problem putting Hermida in the top 50. One of the best seasons for a LHB in team history in 07, and has been a pretty average player for 4 seasons, something not many in our history can say.

[Swifty]

I'm on the fence about Hermida's '07 re: lefty bench mark.

I mean, it's a very good season, and a .870 OPS is nothing to sneeze at, but every major lefty we've had come through, their full seasons top it. Floyd did thrice, Delgado did once, even Hee Seop Choi topped it.

I'm warming to the idea of Hermida as top-50 because of longevity + great season + great moment(s) (even if they all came in '05...grand slam, game tying homer in season finale).

God what a perplexing player. And looking at his career, I sincerely hope we keep him and just have him toil here than thrive elsewhere, since it's going to happen. He's going to come to spring next year and "get it" and OPS around .900 for someone, I just hope it's us.

[Jewbility]

if we could have him as a bench player, i'm all for it. but as a starter he's upgradeable and not worth the opportunity cost

[Ramp]

God what a perplexing player. And looking at his career, I sincerely hope we keep him and just have him toil here than thrive elsewhere, since it's going to happen. He's going to come to spring next year and "get it" and OPS around .900 for someone, I just hope it's us.

Absolutely

[Swifty]

We could roll an opening day OF of Hermida/Maybin/Ross, totally remain in the franchise's best interest's and be A-OK. Stanton and Logan aren't kicking the major league door down. A half a year (at least) more in the minors could do them, and by extension the franchise, wonders.

[The_Godfather]

God what a perplexing player. And looking at his career, I sincerely hope we keep him and just have him toil here than thrive elsewhere, since it's going to happen. He's going to come to spring next year and "get it" and OPS around .900 for someone, I just hope it's us.

Absolutely. Go look at the player most compared him to when he was coming up, Paul O'Neill. It's eerie how similar the numbers are. Both had success early in their careers (more so for Hermida) O'Neill then was pretty average for a few seasons and then of course went on to have an outstanding career.

Would not surprise me at all if Hermida goes on to put up career numbers that look like his 2007 season once he puts it all together. The tools are there.

[Swifty]

O'Neill's a decent comp, but he also changed scenery, went from Piniella to Showalter and upgraded his home ballpark.

Hermida's got a lot of stuff he does wrong, and repeatedly, but he's more likely to follow the JD Drew mold than the O'Neill mold. He'll float, be proclaimed a savior in two places, fall on his face, end up in a place where he's asked to just not make the pitcher's job easy in a lineup of people who grind it and he'll finally reap the rewards of a starter with 90 pitches on his arm by the 3rd time he's up to hit. Hermida's what I call a dead arm hitter; he'll kill the tired starter, but he won't hit a fresh arm, and given our lineup's relative impatience, he's not likely to see a worn out starter hanging on the ropes.

[Fritz]

I'm 100% in agreement that if we get rid of Hermida he'll turn into a stud somewhere else. I dunno if he'll do it here, but he gives off that vibe that he's so close to putting it all together and becoming the player we all thought he'd be.

[lou]

Hermida is batting .291/.378/.435 (.813) versus RHP, which is currently third on the team (Coghlan is barely over him at .816) and is just abysmal versus lefties.

If he starts hitting even a few doubles (9 2B, 2 3B, in 300 AB this season versus RHP. That's insane. That should be 'doubled' no pun intended. There is no reason for him not to be a 35-40 2B player), pops 5 or so more HR, and his OPS vs lefties gets to say a horrible .700 and not the abysmal .600 is it right now, this is an .850 OPSing baseball player overnight. And that's not a lot to ask for.

Payroll strategy also has him making $3.75 (bump from my projections because he is hitting a lot better and raising stats), which is easily going to be less than Cody, Cantu, and maybe even 1/2 of what Uggla makes. I'm totally cool if Hermida is the one of those 4 they keep as long as they can find a stopgap Kevin Kouzmanoff/Andy LaRoche type 3B for two years while Dominguez grows.

Maybe it's idealistic, but I just don't think his production in a worst case scenario will be far away from Uggla, Cantu, or Ross, and the longterm potential with Hermida clearly "wins" based on age and players characteristics. If we're trying to develop assets, even if we don't keep them longterm, I think it's wise to keep Hermida and hope that huge season comes before he is shipped out pre-Stanton/Cousins/Petersen/Morrison regime change. Ross is at his high right now. Cantu has pending Type A compensation so a team can deal with him knowing they get the picks back. Uggla is Uggla and isn't going to change. Hermida is the buy low.

[Swifty]

I don't know Lou, I'm not sure I want to keep Hermida at the expense of Ross or Cantu on the hopes Hermida "might" put it together. I'd rather we make a pure baseball decision and realize how well it's setting us up. If it's predicated on crazy slim finances, then he's got to go.

I do hope we take a long-term view (something we've never done under Beinfest) and realize how downright stupid our 2012 team looks with Hermida in left, Maybin in center and Stanton in right, Coghlan and Logan in the infield and Cantu and Ross elsewhere.

It takes biting the bullet for a season, maybe a season and a half, but it's so worth it long term.

Cantu keeps 1B/3B warm for the last to arrive of Logan/Dominguez.
Cody keeps a corner warm for Stanton
Coghlan moves to the infield in 2010, be it at 3B or 2B
Then suddenly, Hermida gets a corner for 2010, likely gets left-field in 2011 ->

This team is set up so well for the short-term / long term handoffs it makes me nuts to think how we'll find a way to screw it up. My guess is we keep Coghlan in left and give 2B to Bonifacio.

[Fish and Chips]

God what a perplexing player. And looking at his career, I sincerely hope we keep him and just have him toil here than thrive elsewhere, since it's going to happen. He's going to come to spring next year and "get it" and OPS around .900 for someone, I just hope it's us.

how many years have marlins fans been saying that? "keep playing hermida, keep him, trade willingham, because hermida has potential, and josh has a fuck up back". Isnt 2009 suppose to be hermida's last year as a marlins to prove himself, and he hasnt. I rather keep a proven ML starter like ross, and cantu, then hermida's upside that we have been waiting to manifest for years.

I get why people want to trade ross and cantu, because there value is at the highest now. But given to choose bewteen those 3, herms would be my last option

[Ramp]

I don't care for Cantu much. Would much rather see Coghlan back at third if given that option (which is probably no longer an option... then again, he can't be any worse defensively than Cantu is/was)