2023-2024 Offseason Thread

[fauowls44]

I know nothing about the players they got back, but Cruz seems pretty interesting. Berti was a redundant on the roster considering they had to keep Brujan and Gordon up anyway. The more interesting thing is what happens next. According to Mish, part of the plan was was to play Berti more at 3rd so they could either DH Burger or play him at 1st. Does Brujan just replace Berti in that scenario? Do they call Edwards up instead to play that role? If that is the case, then I am on board. Dane Meyers certainly won a job this spring, but they don't really need another OF with 5 already on the roster.

Seems like there should be another move. Dumping Avi would solve a lot of issues, but I don't see how they make that happen without just eating his contract.

[lou]

Edwards, Myers, and Brujan also have versatility. Each can play at least 3 positions, younger, cheaper, and with some upside because of the age and unknown. Each of those guys has earned a chance to get legitimate ab's in the majors. Lets see what they can do. Edwards had one of the more remarkable AAA seasons last year. His plate discipline was ridiculous, he is just as fast if not faster, and he hit for super high average. he has earned a shot.

What im saying in regards to berti is that it isnt about saying he did X last year, he will do X again next year 1 year older. It's about the context of the stats, and the stats last year were misleading in regards to what he actually is as a player.

Solid player, but older, can get 2 solid prospects for him, and see what young guys can do.

And all those guys could/move have gotten 400 PA with Berti on the team so that's an irrelevant point.

Please don't make me map this out for you and just trust me that given historical injuries/trades there is 800-1,000 PA coming from bats 14-17 in the organization (non-catchers) and Edwards and Dane (with Bride) would have gotten most of them as extremely likely bats 14 and 15 to open pre this trade. Brujan would be in the top 13 bats as he made the team so he doesn't count here in this estimation. He's already accounted for. Now they have 400+ Berti bats to replace on top of this. This is teetering into Bride/Amaya territory (+ in season acquisitions) will now get those PA, as presumably Edwards is moving on up to the active roster as I imagine they'll want to replace an infielder with an infielder. So the replacement PA are going to be Dane/Bride/Amaya and they are going to get 800+ of them. And if they do cut Garcia for Dane, now we're talking about Bride/Amaya getting 400 each that quickly. Amaya shouldn't be anywhere near this at the moment but he is. This is where it's important to sign MLB players and have depth in pushing Garcia to the curb and guys like Edwards to AAA even if "he has earned it" as I'm going to point this out very quickly in season when a few guys get banged up all at the same time and the lineup 7-8-9 is literal bullshit and Fortes is somehow DH'ing a game against a right hander. But, maybe I'm the asshole and Brujan hits his prospect status, Edwards is immediately a wizard, and Bride is one of those classic Rays guys who is going to be annoyingly Eckstein-y and grind to a 1.2 WAR over 400 PA. Big picture here is, they need likely two MLB bats right now and those could be some other viable guys like Edwards/Dane who have options but are worth the time. I imagine at least 1 more move is coming here as they are a bat short on the 40 man for sure. Or maybe Troy Johnston is going to fill this void also as he's the only other guy that might make sense here which i just realized after typing all of that. Viva La Troy?


The point with Berti is they need a true FV45 prospect (like Fulton or Edwards) and a FV40 (like Dane) to make that deal make sense, and then, some other play now guy who can handle 400 PA this year unless you are really trusting two of Dane/Bride/Amaya/Johnston to be sufficient. The current scouting reports ignoring BA's LOL FV grades don't have these guys at that. So they are selling low (salary dump) or they have a real eye of the beholder scouting acumen that they are better than what BA, FG, and Pipeline think. Likewise, what's the confidence level in Dane/Bride/Amaya/Johnston to handke 800 PA. That's it here.

[fish16]

jonah bride a high possibility according to mish. If it's bride that's one thing, let's see what he has. If it's bride instead of edwards and/or myers, that's ridiculous.

But now that i'm looking at bride's career, he seems to really have a nice combo of plate discipline and power so he's interesting in his own right. But his major league stats have been putrid so kind of annoying that he gets an opportunity above edwards

[fauowls44]

Mish just tweeted that Jonah Bride is a strong candidate to make the opening day roster now. That makes sense considering he can play 3rd and Edwards missed most of spring training. I would prefer giving Edwards playing time though.

[Namaste]

So who gets Berti's spot Edwards or Myers?

Isn't Edwards hurt?

[Nick]

Myers did play some 3B last year, not sure if they'd consider trying him there again.

[fish16]

i was confusing Tristan Gray's power and Bride's plate discipline.

[lou]

I get Bendix's familiarity with the Rays coming from there, but are 90% of the moves he makes going to have some kind of Rays connection?

I think it's strange, but they are "his" guys so it's fine for now. He worked out deals with Minnesota, Oakland, Seattle, Pittsburgh, and some others even if low-key deals so I don't think it's an indication he can't work with others.

[Nick]

Bride's Major League numbers are Brinson-esque.

[fauowls44]

Isn't Edwards hurt?

Yeah...He hasn't played in a game in weeks.

[lou]

100%

Just feels very payroll related to me. Does absolutely nothing to make the 2024 Marlins any better. And on the eve of 2024 Opening Day.

Absolutely nothing as that money isn't being reinvested. Unless someone wants to tell me Bruce approved a $110m payroll and is letting Bendix put that in a savings account to use in 2025. Any takers here? Hello? Anyone?

[Namaste]

Mish just tweeted that Jonah Bride is a strong candidate to make the opening day roster now. That makes sense considering he can play 3rd and Edwards missed most of spring training. I would prefer giving Edwards playing time though.

Losing John Berti and adding Bride could very easily result in 1-2 losses this year which could be the difference in making the playoffs (lol).

On the Eve of Opening Day, the D'Backs sign Jordan Montgomery and we trade Jon Berti for lottery tickets. If Marlins fans don't think the Marlins have circled 2025, they are dreaming

[fish16]

brides minor league stats and major league stats are startling. i can see why they took a chance on claiming him for nothing but he has been dreadful as a big leaguer. maybe they see something though. Dude is hitting close to .300, with a .400 OBP, and a .460 slugging percentage plus more walks than strikeouts his last 3 minor league seasons.

[lou]

brides minor league stats and major league stats are startling. i can see why they took a chance on claiming him for nothing but he has been dreadful as a big leaguer. maybe they see something though. Dude is hitting close to .300, with a .400 OBP, and a .460 slugging percentage plus more walks than strikeouts his last 3 minor league seasons.

Let me phrase differently.

Are you OK giving 2,000 PA this season to:

Brujan
Garcia
Bride
Edwards
D. Myers
T. Johnston
Amaya
T. Gray
Mesa Jr.
Any other player in the marlins minor league system that isn't on the 40 man
Mid-season trade acquisitions (capped 500 PA)

Because this is plan A - after you made the playoffs.

(And you can move this to 3,000 PA if you add DLC and Gordon to mention).


For perspective, they could have signed Rosario and Davis, DFA'd Garcia, kept everyone in AAA, and once Berti traded this is a net team payroll increase of under $1m, or call it $2m if Rosario/Davis have some incentives. Shouldn't this have been plan A to cut that time in half above? Feel free to swap for Duval/Pham/Taylor/Urshela for negligible amounts here.



This looks to me 2024 doesn't matter at all which then begs the question, why are Luzardo, Arraez, and Scott on this team when you could cash them in now and save even more money? But hey, maybe they are right and going to get some value here and didn't need to spend even negligible money. I have low confidence this works out for 2024 and hope I am wrong.

[fish16]

Let me phrase differently.

Are you OK giving 2,000 PA this season to:

Brujan
Garcia
Bride
Edwards
D. Myers
T. Johnston
Amaya
T. Gray
Mesa Jr.
Any other player in the marlins minor league system that isn't on the 40 man
Mid-season trade acquisitions (capped 500 PA)

Because this is plan A - after you made the playoffs.

(And you can move this to 3,000 PA if you add DLC and Gordon to mention).


For perspective, they could have signed Rosario and Davis, DFA'd Garcia, kept everyone in AAA, and once Berti traded this is a net team payroll increase of under $1m, or call it $2m if Rosario/Davis have some incentives. Shouldn't this have been plan A to cut that time in half above? Feel free to swap for Duval/Pham/Taylor/Urshela for negligible amounts here.



This looks to me 2024 doesn't matter at all which then begs the question, why are Luzardo, Arraez, and Scott on this team when you could cash them in now and save even more money? But hey, maybe they are right and going to get some value here and didn't need to spend even negligible money. I have low confidence this works out for 2024 and hope I am wrong.

Im completely fine giving that many PA to that group of players plus adding the 2 prospects they just added for a 34 year old utility man in berti. I would take amaya and VMJR out of there but ya i would be fine seeing what they have in those young guys.

I'd like to see a lot of Edwards, Myers, and Johnston eventually specifically. Especially when the alternative is a 32 year old Gio Urshela, 34 year old Jon Berti, Amed Rosario who is not a good player, and JD davis who i actually like and think is the only real guy that intrigues me that they could have gotten but hasnt graded well defensively for his career.