2023-2024 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

very rays move. Edwards makes the team now, and we get a super young guy who im sure bendix and the scouts likes.

[Namaste]

2.1 WAR last year. I'll miss the triple clutch throws. 2025 circled.

[fish16]

And could have signed JD Davis for $2.5m if you were shopping him????

it's pretty clear they want to see what they have in younger guys this year. Brujan, Edwards, and Myers

[fish16]

3 teamer apparently. we also get another guy from TB

[lou]

john cruz. 18 year old in rookie ball with great power. 10 homers in the FCL is pretty unheard of for a 18 year old in 48 games

I was about to go nuts but its a 3 team deal and they are getting someone from Tampa too at minimum - https://twitter.com/CDeNicola13/stat...35670765760909

[Namaste]

Salary dump for 2025. We got the Yankees 29th best prospect.

[lou]

Speculative guess - Bisabe who is a FV45 shortstop that has no future there even without Wander????

[fish16]

BA has cruz at 25 in the yankees organization. 50 FV.

BA Grade: 50/Extreme

Track Record: The Yankees’ club in the Florida Complex League had evaluators buzzing all summer long, with headliners like Roderick Arias and Henry Lalane getting the bulk of the ink. Cruz’s combination of youth and production opened eyes, and he finished the year as one of three players in the league with double-digit home runs.

Scouting Report: The Yankees signed Cruz on the strength of a loose, powerful swing from the left side with a body that could add plenty more strength. Those traits showed up in spades in the FCL, where scouts saw a player with less rawness than one would expect for a player his age. There’s some mechanical issues in his swing that causes a bit of a hole at the top of the zone, and he needs to make better swing decisions in order to make high-quality contact more often. His whiff rates are better than average for his age, but he often hits pitcher’s pitches and makes weak contact. Scouts are split about whether Cruz will stick in center field. If he moves to a corner, his above-average arm strength and speed would fit well in right field.

The Future: Cruz will get his first taste of full-season ball in 2024, when he will move to Low-A Tampa. He likely fits as a corner outfielder with power and hittability who can man center field in a pinch.

Scouting Grades Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Run: 55 | Field: 55 | Arm: 55

[lou]

it's pretty clear they want to see what they have in younger guys this year. Brujan, Edwards, and Myers

If we're taking out Berti's PA, all 3 of those guys could easily get 400 PA each even with signing Davis.

So it's still an idiotic move to not bring in a veteran (effectively a Garcia replacement anyways), absent other moving parts.

So we can wait to see where this goes, but giving the younger guys time ain't an excuse.

[Namaste]

john cruz. 18 year old in rookie ball with great power. 10 homers in the FCL is pretty unheard of for a 18 year old in 48 games

It's a salary dump, though. Don't forget that when the Marlins traded Salas the spin was, "18 year old prospects very rarely step foot on a MLB field".

[fish16]

If we're taking out Berti's PA, all 3 of those guys could easily get 400 PA each even with signing Davis.

So it's still an idiotic move to not bring in a veteran (effectively a Garcia replacement anyways), absent other moving parts.

So we can wait to see where this goes, but giving the younger guys time ain't an excuse.

jon berti is a 34 year old futility man who saw his SB production dip from 41 to 16 with more ab's last year than 2022. 4 of his career high 7 homers last year came in a 1 week stretch. spare me the outrage. Each one of your beloved fangraphs projection models had him at 1.2 WAR or less this year. He's not all that special of a hitter and he's nothing spectacular in the field. He was a guy we got for nothing who gave us good production for a number of years who we are flipping to help restock the organization's minor leagues like the rays do.

Anderson will start everyday at SS, Burger will start most days at 3b, arraez everyday at 2b, The rest of the ab's go to Edwards and Brujan and Myers. It's fine.

[lou]

BA has cruz at 25 in the yankees organization. 50 FV.

BA Grade: 50/Extreme

Track Record: The Yankees’ club in the Florida Complex League had evaluators buzzing all summer long, with headliners like Roderick Arias and Henry Lalane getting the bulk of the ink. Cruz’s combination of youth and production opened eyes, and he finished the year as one of three players in the league with double-digit home runs.

Scouting Report: The Yankees signed Cruz on the strength of a loose, powerful swing from the left side with a body that could add plenty more strength. Those traits showed up in spades in the FCL, where scouts saw a player with less rawness than one would expect for a player his age. There’s some mechanical issues in his swing that causes a bit of a hole at the top of the zone, and he needs to make better swing decisions in order to make high-quality contact more often. His whiff rates are better than average for his age, but he often hits pitcher’s pitches and makes weak contact. Scouts are split about whether Cruz will stick in center field. If he moves to a corner, his above-average arm strength and speed would fit well in right field.

The Future: Cruz will get his first taste of full-season ball in 2024, when he will move to Low-A Tampa. He likely fits as a corner outfielder with power and hittability who can man center field in a pinch.

Scouting Grades Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Run: 55 | Field: 55 | Arm: 55

FV50 at 25th in their organization is straight LOL. What kind of grading scale is that? There are only usually 100 FV50s in all of baseball on Fangraphs. Not even MLB is that bold who gave him a FV40 and they are generous. That being said, cool that BA likes him. They are probably right he's in the 20s in their organization as he is so young and he's a fine flyer because he's young, but he's probably a FV40 at best like Chourio who was the 3rd player in the Pablo/Arraez deal. Cruz is outside top 36 on Fangraphs for the Yankees and barely got an honorable mention FWIW - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/new-york...rospects-2024/

The guy from the Rays better be good is what I am saying here. Berti has a surplus value at least of $15-20m so he's worth a true FV45 guy and one maybe two outside top 20/FV40 guys on top of that. The Rays guy needs to be better or they got smoked.

[fish16]

It's a salary dump, though. Don't forget that when the Marlins traded Salas the spin was, "18 year old prospects very rarely step foot on a MLB field".

They did dump salary, but it's not a salary dump. They also got shane sasaki, 21st in the rays amazing system per BA. They got rid of berti, can see what the young guys who have nothing else left to prove in AAA can do at the big league level, and get 2 talented prospects to help start re-stocking the system.

[fish16]

Sasaki is a classic rays OF. Speed, high obp, lots of walks, lots of gap power. Last year Sasaki hit .300, .842 OPS, 16 SB's, and 26 XBH's in just 68 games. Will be in AA this year.

[fish16]

both guys we got are top 15-20 guys in our system. Granted our system sucks, but ill take that every time and see what edwards and myers specifically and to a lesser extent brujan can do.