2023-2024 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

Only Maldonado and vmjr protected. Banfield, Nunez, and Johnston all left unprotected

[Namaste]

Marlins Twitter losing their mind that 26 year old Troy Johnston was protected but VVMJr was

[fish16]

nobody is taking will banfield in the draft. His bat is 1 if not 2 years away. Johnston i like but whatever. If he's taken he will be hidden on a roster all year. Nasim nunez no chance gets taken.

[lou]

nobody is taking will banfield in the draft. His bat is 1 if not 2 years away. Johnston i like but whatever. If he's taken he will be hidden on a roster all year. Nasim nunez no chance gets taken.

Defensive catchers are valuable, very surprised on him.

I kind of get Nunez and Mesa Jr. if they do indeed feel they never will hit. That’s disappointing they feel that way. FG has them as their 10th and 11th best prospects. Woof

[Nick]

Troy Johnston unprotected is a mistake. Plain and simple.

[lou]

Marlins Twitter losing their mind that 26 year old Troy Johnston was protected but VVMJr was

Wait I misread, a “not” is missing here

ok good VVMjr was protected so some hope there and not Johnston. Yea, they don’t think Johnston would hit. I get it.

Im surprised on Banfield still.

[lou]

Troy Johnston unprotected is a mistake. Plain and simple.

They have a lot of space right now so we may see a flurry of minor trades and Rule V selections. They frankly could have just protected him until they had to DFA him. I’ll be optimistic and believe something is happening or there is a cohesive plan

[rmc523]

Soler probably, but Garcia was an earlier FA period signing from what I remember and Segura seemed like an intentional wait out the market approach. Those two were part of a plan not a save face move to me. Soler was the last “big” FA standing with a poor position fit so that made little sense and were forced into that one to me.

I’m a winning cures all kind of guy. Past Oakland and the Rays would trade big names all the time but they earned trust because they always compete. The Marlins should unapologetically make baseball moves because the end result is they must earn that trust by winning. So it never matters if you trade a guy because you’ve developed that trust. They hired this guy to be the Rays - so be the Rays. The Rays are going to move Glasnow and likely Lowe/Paredas/Yandy to lower salary and not miss a beat this offseason. That’s basically the equivalent of Luzardo and Scott which would not just net the Marlins a fortune in trades but also maybe $10m to spend if they got club controlled guys only back. I’m not advocating that just an example. On an organizational level, they should just immediately operate like that and not worry about bad press. Beat your chest, say you made the playoffs, and say we’re going to do it again with these new guys who we also control for 15 more years combined than Luzardo and Scott. The trick is, don’t be wrong and get killed. And again, that’s why this guy was hired. If Bruce won’t spend, something big like Luzardo and Scott to Balt or LAD or Tex or STL for all the goodies will need to happen. Or it’s just treading water to your own death. If Sandy was healthy totally different ball game here, but this is what they have to work with IMO.

To be fair, they did also target better players like Justin Turner instead of Segura, but he signed in Boston, so Kim had to pivot. While it didn't work out, I don't think anyone expected Segura's complete collapse.

I think the view is we'd be the Rays with more funds....hopefully.

[rmc523]

The way Mish described it was that she wasn’t being demoted. She would have still had a similar day to day, but there would have been someone overseeing the entire operation and running the rest of it. She also reportedly would not get rid of Svihlik, so he was “one of her people”.

I think she earned a chance to continue, as the Bell and Burger trades were great. But that doesn’t mean she did a great job overall. She had some stinkers, failed to address some key needs in the offseason, and couldn’t add or develop bats in the minors. Because of that, I don’t think they should have done everything they could to keep her, and I certainly don’t think there was anything wrong with the plan to hire someone above her. If I were betting on it, I’d wager history ends up suggesting she was more lucky than good this year, but I guess we’ll see.

How is putting someone to oversee the operation/running the rest of it not a demotion? That's literally taking her from being the top person baseball wise, to putting someone above her?

I don't disagree with the rest of what you said, though.

[rmc523]

Skip won Manager of the Year

Good - I honestly don't see how most of the other candidates even got votes - especially Snitker - Braves were expected to be a powerhouse, they did that - why does that warrant MOTY?

[rmc523]

Troy Johnston unprotected is a mistake. Plain and simple.

Isn't that Lee's flavor of the month?

[Nick]

Isn't that Lee's flavor of the month?

Lee can be right sometimes.

Johnston has had an unbelievably consistent and productive minor league career

A-Ball: PA: 96 OPS: .873
High-A: PA: 420 OPS: .866
AA: PA: 750 OPS: .885
AAA: PA: 342 OPS: .823

You just don't see these type of numbers in the pitchers paradises that are our minor league ballparks.

This is not Lee overreacting over a good 75 ABs, Johnston has been this same guy for almost 2000 minor league plate appearances.

[fish16]

the previous regime sucked at drafting, but they nailed the 2020 draft. we were rumored to go with Asa Lacy and went with Max Meyer. Lacy has been flat out horrific his entire minor league career and was left unprotected yesterday by the royals.

[lou]

To be fair, they did also target better players like Justin Turner instead of Segura, but he signed in Boston, so Kim had to pivot. While it didn't work out, I don't think anyone expected Segura's complete collapse.

I think the view is we'd be the Rays with more funds....hopefully.

I don’t blame any of the signings (except Soler even though that worked out the best). They made enough sense and Garcia, Cueto, and Segura should have been better than they were. Whiffing on them creates the insult but if they got a 1.7 WAR guy out of each of them we’d all not be annoyed. Thats a Low bar. It just stinks they whiffed.

We’ll see what we do - my point is here they got a lot to do to be a contender again so I’m interested in seeing if they actually try or if they throw in the towel and circle 2025 with the Sandy + SP arm inventory excuse. Bold moves will be needed whether by trades or FA strategy.

[rmc523]

I don’t blame any of the signings (except Soler even though that worked out the best). They made enough sense and Garcia, Cueto, and Segura should have been better than they were. Whiffing on them creates the insult but if they got a 1.7 WAR guy out of each of them we’d all not be annoyed. Thats a Low bar. It just stinks they whiffed.

We’ll see what we do - my point is here they got a lot to do to be a contender again so I’m interested in seeing if they actually try or if they throw in the towel and circle 2025 with the Sandy + SP arm inventory excuse. Bold moves will be needed whether by trades or FA strategy.

Yeah, we have a concerning history of always getting the "wrong" vet guy - other teams will get good season out of their vet signings - ours always seem to completely collapse immediately after the ink dries, even if they had good track records.