2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[rmc523]

I think cooper is average, but whatever. If he's healthy, he's a productive hitter and as a free agent to be maybe he finally puts it together and can OPS around .800 and give us a quality bat in the middle of the order. I think C can be average, but it will only be average if Stallings is playing 2x a week max. No defense makes that putrid bat playable. SS will probably be below average, CF above average, LF and RF average depending on how they view Garcia as a bounceback candidate.

The thing that pulls 1B average down is Coop's inability to stay healthy. I'd agree Coop is average, but if he's not on the field, you'd have to pull that down.

Likewise, Jazz's bat will help even out defensive issues he's bound to have as a first time CF with only ST experience there.

[rmc523]

The big project to me is their plan to change the interchange where all the highways converge near Hard Rock stadium. It's like 4 different highways combining into 1 and it is consistently backed up no matter what time of day. That interchange and the one from the 826 (or 836, always get the 2 confused) near the marlins park will make a difference.

Yeah, that's golden glades/what I'm talking about. They're adding direct turnpike and 826 connections to 95 and express lanes, so you don't have to go off the highway through at little loop thing to get back on the other highway.

And yeah, they're double decking the 836 by Marlins park (it's called I-395 east of 95),which is crazy in itself.

I remember it as the larger number is south (826 by golden glades, I-195 are the north ones, and 836/I-395 are south).

[lou]

And SS rankings - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-pos...ngs-shortstop/

TLDR - Wendle and Iglesias are underwhelming and this is a big miss not getting a better defender + hitter with this pitching staff. A no shit comment by Fangraphs

Summary
Great - 2B
Above Average -
Average - C, 3B
Below Average - 1B, SS
Disaster -

[Nick]

Honestly expected 28-30 for SS.

[lou]

The thing that pulls 1B average down is Coop's inability to stay healthy. I'd agree Coop is average, but if he's not on the field, you'd have to pull that down.

Likewise, Jazz's bat will help even out defensive issues he's bound to have as a first time CF with only ST experience there.

It's hard to get Cooper ahead of other teams - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-pos...gs-first-base/

Maybe the Marlins are 1-2 spots low here, but you aren't betting him to be more productive Casas, Pasquantino, Naylor/Bell, Rowdy, Mountcastle, and Yandy/platoon over him big time. He's also "ahead" of Walsh, S.Brown, and Torkelson here, and that may look real bad in a few months.

Cooper may be solid when healthy, but he is still below average with what else is out there in baseball. I'd agree this is an acceptable scenario for 2023, and it goes without saying SS is the biggest issue in my mind.

[lou]

Honestly expected 28-30 for SS.

Defensive floor, but I'd take Tovar (CO) or Grissom (ATL) over Wendle even if Grissom needs some MILB time. It's a generous below average grade for sure

[fish16]

3.1 WAR projection from SS seems wayyyy to lofty. Maybe they can get to 2. Only chance i see wendle getting us there is with a big bounceback season from him. He did have injury issues last year so maybe it's possible, but that seems really high.

[fish16]

It's hard to get Cooper ahead of other teams - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-pos...gs-first-base/

Maybe the Marlins are 1-2 spots low here, but you aren't betting him to be more productive Casas, Pasquantino, Naylor/Bell, Rowdy, Mountcastle, and Yandy/platoon over him big time. He's also "ahead" of Walsh, S.Brown, and Torkelson here, and that may look real bad in a few months.

Cooper may be solid when healthy, but he is still below average with what else is out there in baseball. I'd agree this is an acceptable scenario for 2023, and it goes without saying SS is the biggest issue in my mind.

It wasnt the ranking that i think was low. It was the 1.1 WAR for cooper. I get there are defensive limitations there, but the bat is really good if he stays healthy, which admittedly is a monumental if. But he's a career .788 OPS guy. First base is an offensive position so it makes sense that that wouldnt make him this 3 WAR guy, but i'd put a floor of 2 WAR for cooper if he is healthy. Fangraphs had him at 1.6 in 2019 in just 107 games, 1.4 last year in 119 games, and .9 in 2021 in just 71 games. 1.1 seems light. But i think its offset by the too high projection of 3.1 from SS so i guess it evens out in the aggregate.


Just for context- he's obviously not in the top 10 hitting first baseman, but last year the 10-20 qualified OPS from the first base position ranged from Arraez at .795 to Jesus Aguilar at .661 for 20th. That's amount qualified hitters though. Among all hitters at 1b, Cooper in a down year was 21st with a .752 OPS and 10th was Brandon Drury at .812. If Cooper is his career OPS of .788, that's exactly 15th among all first baseman last year. Obviously there are defensive limitations, but cooper is a fairly average hitting first baseman among league starters. 1.1 is very light for him. If he's healthy id say between 2 and on the high end 3.

[fish16]

hopefully rogers can bounce back against the cardinals today after a rough inning against them last week. On a related note- Jordan walker is going to be an absolute stud. He reminds me a ton of stanton. He's a complete fucking tank.

[lou]

It wasnt the ranking that i think was low. It was the 1.1 WAR for cooper. I get there are defensive limitations there, but the bat is really good if he stays healthy, which admittedly is a monumental if. But he's a career .788 OPS guy. First base is an offensive position so it makes sense that that wouldnt make him this 3 WAR guy, but i'd put a floor of 2 WAR for cooper if he is healthy. Fangraphs had him at 1.6 in 2019 in just 107 games, 1.4 last year in 119 games, and .9 in 2021 in just 71 games. 1.1 seems light. But i think its offset by the too high projection of 3.1 from SS so i guess it evens out in the aggregate.


Just for context- he's obviously not in the top 10 hitting first baseman, but last year the 10-20 qualified OPS from the first base position ranged from Arraez at .795 to Jesus Aguilar at .661 for 20th. That's amount qualified hitters though. Among all hitters at 1b, Cooper in a down year was 21st with a .752 OPS and 10th was Brandon Drury at .812. If Cooper is his career OPS of .788, that's exactly 15th among all first baseman last year. Obviously there are defensive limitations, but cooper is a fairly average hitting first baseman among league starters. 1.1 is very light for him. If he's healthy id say between 2 and on the high end 3.

It's the replacement value of 1B - everybody is going to hit at 1B (and others may defend well) so his bat isn't that valuable because it's...... replaceable.

I do agree a best case scenario is a 2+ WAR season and he is a flat out average 1B. That would be great if he can stay healthy and get 500 PA. This is the one time he may get a contract so this is it for him if he can do it. I just get the feeling here, "Berti" is better and Arraez ends up playing more time at 1B than we'd like, but the net gain of Berti being a wizard is better than Cooper. We shall see.

[fish16]

the runs arent coming at all in spring but some individuals are playing really well. Berti has been great, sanchez has sketchy K/BB numbers but the overall numbers have looked like 2021 instead of last year, Cooper has been great, Segura was in the WBC but his very small sample spring numbers have been nice. It's just so clear already they fucked up royally not getting the big bat.

In NBA terms, their lineup reminds me of the brooklyn nets right now. A lot of quality decent role players, but missing the star piece. That's just from the lineup though, obviously the rotation is really good and hopefully the bullpen additions will make us more stable in close games, but im expecting another year of struggling to score runs. Hopefully garcia and soler are better than what they were last year and Arraez and Segura make a difference, but there is no path to being a good offense this year. the best we can hope for is to be an average offense and let the pitching carry us. Just so inexcusable with how many guys have been available if sherman would just spend the fucking money. We are a Correa type piece away from being a contender for several years and he just failed. Theres no other way to put it. It's a shame because Kim did a really nice job on the other supplemental pieces she brought in, she was clearly just hamstrung to get into the game on the major guys .

[fish16]

trevor rogers had another tremendous outing today. 5 scoreless, 4 k's, 1 walk, 3 hits, no runs. He looks so much better this spring than last year. His ERA is 5 but with such a small sample, he had 1 terrible inning against the cards last outing and so his overall ERA is not indicative of how he has pitched. 5 games, 18 innings, 17 k's, 3 walks, 1.00 whip, 5 ERA. gave up 10 runs total, 8 of them came in the 2nd inning last game.

[Nick]

Today's game ended in a 0-0 tie. lol

[Lee Stone]

Now that the regulars are getting the bulk of the playing time, the Marlins have tallied one run total for the last three games. That one run scored on a balk.

[lou]

Now that the regulars are getting the bulk of the playing time, the Marlins have tallied one run total for the last three games. That one run scored on a balk.

Are you trying to say they should have gotten 2 more bat upgrades (one being an exceptionally big one) in the offseason?

If so, we are all here and have been there for awhile.