2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

braxton garrett isnt exactly helping any potential trade value with his spring training performance. I doubt a team gives up anything of value from him at this point, to the point where id rather just have him in the bullpen as next man up when an injury inevitably happens.

He's had 2 bad starts before today and today he goes 4.1, 6 hits, 3 k's, 3 walks, 3 ER against a mets team not playing any of their best hitters.

[fish16]

Cooper is having a really nice spring so far. Just hit a 2 run bomb hr off David Robertson. 436 feet. Had been getting on base a ton without much power, but now hits a HR. A free agent to be, i'd leave him alone and just pray he stays healthy. He's not actually an all star, but he is a really solid hitter. Never stays healthy, but a .788 OPS in his career is a bat we can just toss as salary filler.

[Lee Stone]

Gotta bad feelin'. E Cabrera was supposed to start yesterday but was pulled. Team said he would pitch today instead. Didn't happen. With no starting pitching to spare and his future seemingly so bright, I'll hold my breath/cross my fingers/whatever.

found this: Edward Cabrera said he threw three innings during his back field start today. Plan originally was for four. Physically, he said he feels fine.

[lou]

id be very hesitant to trade Cooper. He does get injured, but id take the chance on him finding a way to stay healthy and hitting well, and it keeps arraez at 2b and Jazz in CF. When cooper is healthy, he hits and he has power. His bat is sadly very key to the lineup performing. What about wendle, garrett for Gleyber. that's something i would do and would make sense for both sides. Wendle is a FA to be, we have no need for Wendle if gleyber is here, and he is making more than cooper anyways i believe, but less than gleyber so it would still be something that gets them below the tax plus allows them to address the SP need immediately.

Who would be playing shortstop? Iglesias and Berti? That trade is fine for me, but who the hell is playing SS and I guess Soler is always in the OF? It positional is difficult

[lou]

Gotta bad feelin'. E Cabrera was supposed to start yesterday but was pulled. Team said he would pitch today instead. Didn't happen. With no starting pitching to spare and his future seemingly so bright, I'll hold my breath/cross my fingers/whatever.

found this: Edward Cabrera said he threw three innings during his back field start today. Plan originally was for four. Physically, he said he feels fine.

I'd also say if they pull a random SP right now, it may mean something is brewing trade wise versus an injury.

[fish16]

cabrera pitched 3 innings in a back field game today. the mets tossed out a spring training lineup so it's possible the team he played on the backfield was similar.

[fish16]

Who would be playing shortstop? Iglesias and Berti? That trade is fine for me, but who the hell is playing SS and I guess Soler is always in the OF? It positional is difficult

some combo of gleyber or segura with the other playing 3b? We have half the rest of the team playing out of position, why not add more? Unless gleyber plays SS or Segura can still play SS with Gleyber playing 3b, im not sure how a trade makes sense. I dont think trading cooper in that deal or an accompanying deal makes us a great deal better if we're also including Garrett. If they can get gleyber for Wendle and Garrett and maybe throw in a lower level prospect, i'd do it and roll the dice that someone can play SS, if not it doesnt make a ton of sense for us.

[lou]

some combo of gleyber or segura with the other playing 3b? We have half the rest of the team playing out of position, why not add more? Unless gleyber plays SS or Segura can still play SS with Gleyber playing 3b, im not sure how a trade makes sense. I dont think trading cooper in that deal or an accompanying deal makes us a great deal better if we're also including Garrett. If they can get gleyber for Wendle and Garrett and maybe throw in a lower level prospect, i'd do it and roll the dice that someone can play SS, if not it doesnt make a ton of sense for us.

From what I have read, Gleyber's defensive weakness is a weak throwing arm so he's definitely not going to cut it at 3B. He might be a fringe SS if his range can over come some throwing adversity. Practically, it would be Segura if he can still do it.

I would view getting Gleyber as an upgrade to Cooper (Arraez shifting to 1B), and if they got Sweeney in the deal as I mused which would have to happen if they gave up Garret in the deal, that would net out pretty good as Sweeney could definitely work out with Groshans in an interesting platoon down the road. It's not an ideal fit (they should have traded Pablo for a SS or CF, etc.), but they made their bed with Jazz/Arraez decisions so now they have to figure out where the hell the rest of the production is coming from. Or not and just kick the can to 2024.

[fish16]

From what I have read, Gleyber's defensive weakness is a weak throwing arm so he's definitely not going to cut it at 3B. He might be a fringe SS if his range can over come some throwing adversity. Practically, it would be Segura if he can still do it.

I would view getting Gleyber as an upgrade to Cooper (Arraez shifting to 1B), and if they got Sweeney in the deal as I mused which would have to happen if they gave up Garret in the deal, that would net out pretty good as Sweeney could definitely work out with Groshans in an interesting platoon down the road. It's not an ideal fit (they should have traded Pablo for a SS or CF, etc.), but they made their bed with Jazz/Arraez decisions so now they have to figure out where the hell the rest of the production is coming from. Or not and just kick the can to 2024.

it's not going to happen so we are just talking scenarios, but instead of moving arraez to 1b and getting rid of cooper, you could keep cooper, include wendle, move arraez to 3b where he has experience, Segura to SS where he graded out well, albeit a few years ago, and Gleyber to 2b. I just dont feel like getting gleyber and subtracting cooper is a significant upgrade. Gleyber over wendle however is.

That leaves you with a potential lineup of

Arraez
Gleyber
Jazz
Soler
Cooper
Segura
Garcia
DLc/Sanchez
Stallings/Fortes

Cooper is only 4.2 million, if you have to include that salary to make a deal work, sherman shouldnt own the team. Wendle is 6 million and a FA to be as well. If you have to cut salary, do it there. Gleyber is 9.95 million. so garrett and Wendle for him is around 7 million. Maybe they have a reliever they can throw in for a few million more to make it even more luxury tax beneficial.

[fish16]

Sixto, Xavier Edwards, and Soriano all optioned to AAA and Nasim Nunez to minor league camp. amaya and sean reynolds were sent down yesterday. It seems more and more likely that they will make 1 more move for another bullpen arm before the season starts. All those prospects/young guys they were looking at to earn the last roster spot in spring have sucked.

[fish16]

if they dont make a move for 1 more bullpen arm, i think daniel castano deserves that last spot. I'm not sure how he gets outs, but he is relatively effective for a guy who throws some slop. Maybe they hope one of the guys on the 40 man turns it around once the season starts, but absent that or a move for another arm, i think he gets the last bullpen spot.

[Lee Stone]

if they dont make a move for 1 more bullpen arm, i think daniel castano deserves that last spot. I'm not sure how he gets outs, but he is relatively effective for a guy who throws some slop. Maybe they hope one of the guys on the 40 man turns it around once the season starts, but absent that or a move for another arm, i think he gets the last bullpen spot.

Castano actually throws harder than Garrett or Cueto. He's probably the first option to move into the rotation as needed.

[lou]

if they dont make a move for 1 more bullpen arm, i think daniel castano deserves that last spot. I'm not sure how he gets outs, but he is relatively effective for a guy who throws some slop. Maybe they hope one of the guys on the 40 man turns it around once the season starts, but absent that or a move for another arm, i think he gets the last bullpen spot.

Isn't he out of options as he played in 20, 21, and 22. If he's OOO, he shouldn't be up as they'll have to make room for Enright when he is back, as Barnes, Floro, Chargois, Puk, Scott, and Bleier are going nowhere and they have 6 SP that are also going nowhere. Just leave him in AAA and see if he becomes a piece. The last bullpen spot is mop up work so it's not moving the needle to potentially lose the player. It's probably going to be Brazoban as Nance isn't healthy and he has an option. That being say, Cabrera was given a mysterious new option and Fangraphs says Castano has one. So if he does have one for reasons I cannot figure out, sure. Who cares. They could add Iglesias, Gurriel, and Castano, and IL Meyer, Bender, and Enright and it's all good. Just ship Castano down when Nance/Enright is ready.

Though, a right hander reliever with an option would be a good trade candidate right now though for sure. A right-handed Puk would be a perfect longterm piece short and longterm.

[Todd]

I am pretty sure Bleier is going somewhere.

[lou]

I am pretty sure Bleier is going somewhere.

Sorry Okert! You get it.