2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

No - he has an option it looks like so he can go up/down so there is space. But, I would say leaning yes and Iglesias/Gurriel start in AAA.

I am assuming Meyer, Bender, Sixto, and Enright are all going on the IL, so they do have room for Gurriell, Iglesias, Hampson, and ________ on a practical level.


Also more importantly, I just saw Luzardo demolished WBC last night and is throwing 98 and the slider is tracking faster. Might be a good time to sign him as a total performance explosion may be happening. I am extremely excited about him.

Ok, that's a good sign at least on hampson. he is a AAAA player at best. Gurriel and Iglesias i dont think start the season on the roster. At least 1 of them.

As far as luzardo, that game was this afternoon and he is incredible. they should absolutely be looking at signing him long term very very soon. he is an absolute stud.

[Todd]

Luzardo was pitching against Israel, who had lost their last two games 20-0. Their leadoff hitter is a 26 year old in Independent ball who doesn't even have a Wikipedia page

Maybe relax a little bit.

[fish16]

Luzardo was pitching against Israel, who had lost their last two games 20-0. Their leadoff hitter is a 26 year old in Independent ball who doesn't even have a Wikipedia page

Maybe relax a little bit.

his ceiling is a 5th starter maybe like sandy, right? I get this is your schtick, but luzardo is a tremendous pitcher. He will breakout this year, and really he broke out last year. They would be stupid to not be exploring signing him long term right now.

[fish16]

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Give me this for a marlins game at some point pretty please

[lou]

Luzardo was pitching against Israel, who had lost their last two games 20-0. Their leadoff hitter is a 26 year old in Independent ball who doesn't even have a Wikipedia page

Maybe relax a little bit.

It has nothing to do with competition/results.

He is throwing his fastball and slider harder. That is highly indicative a breakout is coming. And that's coming from a guy who just dropped a 1.8 WAR his last 12 starts, 2.2 WAR his last 18 starts, or 2.9 his last 25. Wherever you want to draw the line because I know it is a sensitive topic.

[fish16]

Just watching jean segura with the DR WBC team and last year in philly, he is not a star by any means, but he is an absolute glue guy for a great team. I hope he works out here, but that's a guy who is just great to have around. His numbers are super consistent on a year to year basis. He wont outpace expectations, but that's a damn good guy to have around for a few years.

[Todd]

Or he is could go back to being one of the worst pitchers in baseball as he was in Oakland and Miami until he came back from injury last season.

I am not opposed to paying players including Luzardo but a team as spend thrift the Marlins can't risk spending big on a player with less than 1/3 of a seasons worth of starts where he was decent and had been objectively horrid before that.

[fish16]

Holy shit so Mets. Terrible but Edwin Diaz just blew out his knee. He was so dominant last inning against Puerto Rico. But he clearly just blew out his knee. Oh my that is so terrible, but he blew that out after the final pitch and with his team celebrating.

Edit- he either blew out his knee or just broke his leg like Kendry morales celebrating his walk off. Worst case scenario for the WBC

[lou]

Or he is could go back to being one of the worst pitchers in baseball as he was in Oakland and Miami until he came back from injury last season.

I am not opposed to paying players including Luzardo but a team as spend thrift the Marlins can't risk spending big on a player with less than 1/3 of a seasons worth of starts where he was decent and had been objectively horrid before that.

Well that's the thing, you wouldn't be spending big. You'd be paying Luzardo like an above average free agent relief pitcher, with the benefit being he might be a really high end SP. So if the floor is he's a really good reliever, you're status quo. No one is saying give him $100m. It's $35-40 range.

Also it's his last 25 starts so yes, it's a full season. The flip switched the end of 2021. He was hurt.

[Namaste]

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Give me this for a marlins game at some point pretty please

but I mean…….and I’m not trying to be combative here but think about it….you’re an absolute diehard Marlins fan and you admittedly went to, what, one maybe two games last year?

other than the Marlins making the playoffs, if Marlins diehards aren’t going to games then are people who are there just for the big name-that-country-togetherness party gonna show up for a Marlins regular season game not named Opening Day?

I only go to 10-12 Marlins games a year and it’s clearly evident to me that thats at least double than the next person on this forum.

it’s a REALLY tough market. There are a TON of people at these WBC games that are there for the big party for their country, not baseball.

Jesus Luzardo got virtually NO applause when they were announcing the Venezuela roster last Saturday night. 95% of the Venezuelan fans had zero clue who he was. Altuve’s ovation was deafeningly loud.

and to be clear I’m not judging fans that don’t go to games. I don’t know everyone’s situation. But I quoted your post because you expressed that you really want Marlins games to have this WBC electric feel

[fish16]

but I mean…….and I’m not trying to be combative here but think about it….you’re an absolute diehard Marlins fan and you admittedly went to, what, one maybe two games last year?

other than the Marlins making the playoffs, if Marlins diehards aren’t going to games then are people who are there just for the big name-that-country-togetherness party gonna show up for a Marlins regular season game not named Opening Day?

I only go to 10-12 Marlins games a year and it’s clearly evident to me that thats at least double than the next person on this forum.

it’s a REALLY tough market. There are a TON of people at these WBC games that are there for the big party for their country, not baseball.

Jesus Luzardo got virtually NO applause when they were announcing the Venezuela roster last Saturday night. 95% of the Venezuelan fans had zero clue who he was. Altuve’s ovation was deafeningly loud.

and to be clear I’m not judging fans that don’t go to games. I don’t know everyone’s situation. But I quoted your post because you expressed that you really want Marlins games to have this WBC electric feel

i get what youre saying. To be clear, i wasnt saying the marlins deserve that kind of attendance, just that i hope one day the ownership does what it takes on their end to deserve that kind of crowd. Bruce sherman and the way he has run this team thus far doesnt deserve a single fan in the stands.

I dont go to games for a number of reasons. First, i work in coral springs, live in northern broward (i know you do too), and with work i cant physically get down there in time for games since they foolishly moved the game time up from 710 to 640. Whoever thought that was a good idea is an idiot. Even a 710 game is pushing it for me with work and the traffic getting down there. I have panthers season tickets because they are 15 minutes from my office and i can get there and back home at a reasonable time. Ive seen far too many terrible hockey games this year. Hopefully with the shorter game time they move it back to 710. Second, im not going to spend my hard earned money to put money in the pockets of an owner who refuses to spend on the team at a league average level. third, theres just too many games. It makes every game feel a bit meaningless. And lastly, i swear to god ive gone to probably 15 games since 2016 and im pretty sure they have not won a single one.

Ive said this a number of times, but the only way to increase attendance here consistently is for Sherman to show he is going to spend on this team and for that team to start performing. It's not secret, we are a front running town. If and when this team gets good, fans will come out. But we havent had a legitimate .500 team since 2009 (Covid year we were over .500). That's 14 years of not only a bad team, but a team that ownership spends 0 money on to actually improve. It's one thing to be the angels and spend a ton and just be bad. It's another entirely to have an owner who seems to not give a flying fuck if this team is good. They needed to sign correa or one of the other SS on the market this year, and they didnt. They have no one to blame other than themselves for the lack of attendance.

[fish16]

also, i think sherman can invest in the stadium a little more to make it more appealing to go to the game. The parking garages have all this retail space on the bottom floor that just never filled up with restaurants and bars because its not a sustainable business model with only 81 games a year. But if there were more to do and places to eat/drink on the bottom of those parking garages i would probably go a little more and just leave work earlier.

the other thing i would do is get rid of the seats in the upper deck in RF and do what the braves did at their new ball park. this stadium does not need 37k seats. Get rid of those seats and do what the braves do with that area where the chop house is. IF you havent been to the new braves stadium, id highly recommend going if you're ever in atlanta. The area around the ballpark is phenomenal. I get their ballpark is in a different area, but it's really a great place to go see a game.

[rmc523]

but I mean…….and I’m not trying to be combative here but think about it….you’re an absolute diehard Marlins fan and you admittedly went to, what, one maybe two games last year?

other than the Marlins making the playoffs, if Marlins diehards aren’t going to games then are people who are there just for the big name-that-country-togetherness party gonna show up for a Marlins regular season game not named Opening Day?

I only go to 10-12 Marlins games a year and it’s clearly evident to me that thats at least double than the next person on this forum.

it’s a REALLY tough market. There are a TON of people at these WBC games that are there for the big party for their country, not baseball.

Jesus Luzardo got virtually NO applause when they were announcing the Venezuela roster last Saturday night. 95% of the Venezuelan fans had zero clue who he was. Altuve’s ovation was deafeningly loud.

and to be clear I’m not judging fans that don’t go to games. I don’t know everyone’s situation. But I quoted your post because you expressed that you really want Marlins games to have this WBC electric feel

For me, they just haven't been worth watching, especially when ownership hasn't shown a willingness to spend to improve the roster by the degree it needs to be improved....we keep getting half measures, and on-field performance has....struggled accordingly.

I'm not going to waste what ends up being hundreds if not thousands of dollars on tickets (over time), let alone the 3-hour time of game plus hour each way of driving, on games where the team is out of it with no chance of winning after the other team goes up 1 run in the 1st.

Call me a bandwagoner if you want to (I know your comments are more general than toward anyone specifically), but there needs to be a reason to go for people in this market to get attendance above the "standard" walk-in/casual fans. Fans here come out to see winning teams.

[fish16]

For me, they just haven't been worth watching, especially when ownership hasn't shown a willingness to spend to improve the roster by the degree it needs to be improved....we keep getting half measures, and on-field performance has....struggled accordingly.

I'm not going to waste what ends up being hundreds if not thousands of dollars on tickets (over time), let alone the 3-hour time of game plus hour each way of driving, on games where the team is out of it with no chance of winning after the other team goes up 1 run in the 1st.

Call me a bandwagoner if you want to (I know your comments are more general than toward anyone specifically), but there needs to be a reason to go for people in this market to get attendance above the "standard" walk-in/casual fans. Fans here come out to see winning teams.

exactly. i went to one game last year, the ohtani game. I spent probably 200 in tickets, parking, food, and drinks, and it was terrible to see a lineup that just had no chance to hit the ball at all. You cant ask your fan base to come out and consistently spend money to watch your product when you as the owner dont spend your own money at even a league average payroll. That's why we needed an owner with either deep pockets or a vision to spend money on a guy like correa and maybe take losses early but make up for it with consistently higher revenue as a result of the fanbase coming out more regularly. It's a risk, but it's the only way to grow the attendance numbers. Sherman either clearly doesnt understand the market down here, doesnt care, or just doesnt have the money to even try to make that investment. It's not loria because loria cared, he was just kind of cheap and incompetent, but it's very similar to the loria years.

[rmc523]

exactly. i went to one game last year, the ohtani game. I spent probably 200 in tickets, parking, food, and drinks, and it was terrible to see a lineup that just had no chance to hit the ball at all. You cant ask your fan base to come out and consistently spend money to watch your product when you as the owner dont spend your own money at even a league average payroll. That's why we needed an owner with either deep pockets or a vision to spend money on a guy like correa and maybe take losses early but make up for it with consistently higher revenue as a result of the fanbase coming out more regularly. It's a risk, but it's the only way to grow the attendance numbers. Sherman either clearly doesnt understand the market down here, doesnt care, or just doesnt have the money to even try to make that investment. It's not loria because loria cared, he was just kind of cheap and incompetent, but it's very similar to the loria years.

I actually haven't been to a game since 2019. And I barely watched last year. I'm just losing interest even as a die hard.....obviously my "losing interest" is still way above most people's interest in a team, but still. I just can't get myself to put time and money into garbage.

I think it's both that he doesn't know the market AND he doesn't have the money to make that up front investment.

For the former, people could tell him about how the fanbase has been abused by firesales, but unless you actually live in the market and/or have been a fan on some level prior to purchasing - which he didn't/wasn't - you can't truly understand the pain of having WS teams broken up immediately, constant rebuilds, and always having any player with a semblance of talent shipped off year after year. To be fair, they are starting to do better with that in the form of extensions (a la Sandy), but that's not enough.

That gets to the latter point - I don't think he has the funds to make that huge up front investment on a big name it's going to take to push us over the edge into competitiveness , and is instead counting solely on the young homegrown bat talent that we literally don't have. Overall it's been a pretty good offseason after a slow start. BUT there are still pieces missing.....can you imagine how the narrative of the offseason and attitude toward the upcoming season would be had we done everything we did AND signed Correa on top of that (though, the Arraez move probably doesn't happen if Correa doesn't go back to the Twins....but another move could've been made). Any owner with "average" deep pockets would have made that move especially after the reduced price.

And big additions like that would draw people to the park initially/early in season......but ultimately success (record) is what truly matters/brings people in....look at 2012. Big attendance initially for the rebrand/new park, and then the team sucked, so attendance cratered.