2022-2023 Offseason Thread

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I thought the same thing as it looks like he'll be out most of April. It's Hicks. That's how they'd do it. They'd need to absorb a lot of him, but it's worth it. Just sign Dylan Bundy to be the 6th SP (as minimum Garrett, probably Cabrera or Rogers would be going back) and solve SS for years.

The only way i would do it is if the main piece from the major league roster is Garrett. To me, Cabrera is too good to involve in that deal, and Rogers i would be hesitant to do as well. So maybe there is a way in which they can give Garrett as the main piece that helps their rotation immediately, while also giving a prospect or 2 for peraza. Maybe Eder or Meyer plus maybe another lower level guy as well works. The value doesnt seem to add up and they can probably find another rotation piece that can fill their gap for the first month or so without giving up a guy like peraza who they seem to love. It does make sense from our perspective obviously and they obviously have a need for an impact starter pretty immediately, but i think the way it turns out will be them finding that guy who can help without having to give up a guy like Peraza.

It's hard to make it work to make it make sense for the yankees with garrett as the main piece, and id be hesitant to give up cabrera or rogers for him at this point. It's definitely a phone call id be making to try though.

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Heyman confirms we’re talking to gurriel but also brings up a new name we are interested in- Jose iglesias. Really solid against lefties for his career. I’ll take him

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Nevermind, we finally signed gurriel according to rosenthal. Let’s see what happens now

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Nevermind we signed both of them. That’s interesting

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I wonder if Garrett’s presence allows us to carry both of them and have an extra batter off the bench instead of pitcher

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Nevermind we signed both of them. That’s interesting

I like the thinking behind signing Iglesias. Wendle was never a good idea as an everyday SS, and Iglesias doesn’t seem like a bad option. But I would have preferred to see them make a move for a longterm solution because they don’t really have one.

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Jose iglesias. Really solid against lefties for his career. I’ll take him

He was worse than Miguel Rojas in 2022 and you keep telling everyone Rojas was “terrible” last year.

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He was worse than Miguel Rojas in 2022 and you keep telling everyone Rojas was “terrible” last year.

wtf are you talking about? Miguel Rojas his .236 last year, .283 OPS, .323 slugging, and .605 OPS. Iglesias hit .292, .328 OBP, .380 slugging percentage, and .708 OPS. Iglesias career OPS is .701, Rojas is .672. Iglesias isnt a great hitter but he hits lefties. .752 OPS against lefties in 2022, .784 in 2021, .894 in small sample in 2020. Wendle is .746 against righties in his career. This can be a pure platoon that will give us on the aggregate a better SS position. And allows berti to be a super utility guy.

Not sure how you're getting that rojas was anywhere near as good as Iglesias unless you're just looking at the WAR on espn's page that ridiculously overvalues rojas' defense.

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wtf are you talking about? Miguel Rojas his .236 last year, .283 OPS, .323 slugging, and .605 OPS. Iglesias hit .292, .328 OBP, .380 slugging percentage, and .708 OPS. Iglesias career OPS is .701, Rojas is .672. Iglesias isnt a great hitter but he hits lefties. .752 OPS against lefties in 2022, .784 in 2021, .894 in small sample in 2020. Wendle is .746 against righties in his career. This can be a pure platoon that will give us on the aggregate a better SS position. And allows berti to be a super utility guy.

Not sure how you're getting that rojas was anywhere near as good as Iglesias unless you're just looking at the WAR on espn's page that ridiculously overvalues rojas' defense.

Rojas had a higher Fangraphs WAR in 2022 than Iglesias but I guess you’re smarter than Fangraphs.

sorry my bad please keep telling us how terrible Rojas is and what a great addition Iglesias is.

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Both iglesias and Guerriel continue the offseason trend of adding guys who dont strike out and put the ball in play

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Rojas has a higher Fangraphs WAR than Iglesias but I guess you’re smarter than Fangraphs.

sorry my bad.

He played in 22 fewer games and had 40 fewer plate appearances and his WAR was .2 higher than iglesias. Might have something to do with that considering rojas was one of the worst hitters in baseball last year. Rojas had the 3rd lowest OPS in all of baseball last year out of all qualified hitters. WAR overrates the shit out of defense. If you think rojas' defense made him a positive impact on the marlins overall with a .605 OPS and 72 OPS+ and 73 WRC+ over 507 PA's i dont know what to tell you.

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He played in 22 fewer games and had 40 fewer plate appearances and his WAR was .2 higher than iglesias. Might have something to do with that considering rojas was one of the worst hitters in baseball last year. Rojas had the 3rd lowest OPS in all of baseball last year out of all qualified hitters. WAR overrates the shit out of defense. If you think rojas' defense made him a positive impact on the marlins overall with a .605 OPS and 72 OPS+ and 73 WRC+ over 507 PA's i dont know what to tell you.

You’re right, man. Fangraphs is wrong.

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Rojas 2022 BABIP: .258

Iglesias 2022 BABIP: .326

You’re right. Fangraphs is wrong.

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You’re right, man. Fangraphs is wrong.

Or maybe stop taking WAR as the end all be all when it's heavily based on defense for certain players. It's absolutely terrible at weighting defense properly with how bad, unreliable, and inconsistent defensive metrics are. Rojas is a great defender, he was completely unplayable last year because of how terrible his bat was. Iglesias was a far better offensive player last year, and is a good defender himself. Given what they were last year, iglesias is an improvement on rojas.

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Rojas 2022 BABIP: .258

Iglesias 2022 BABIP: .326

You’re right. Fangraphs is wrong.

It's almost as if his hard hit rates have plummeted since 2019 and 2020 when he had his best seasons. In 2019, his hard hit rate was 35.6%, then 31.8% in his best year in the covid shortened year. Those years his soft hit % was 14.3 and 13.1. Last year his hard hit rate was 20.8% and soft hit rate was 18.8% and his medium % rate was the highest of his career by a good chunk. Rojas for his career is a .288 BABIP. Iglesias is .310. He wasnt far off from his career numbers.

Neither has power, but iglesias had a higher line drive% and ground ball rate. His fly ball rate was 7% less than rojas, which is normally not what you want, but it is when neither player has power.

there is not a single metric where rojas was better than iglesias last year offensively. Iglesias isnt a huge bat, but rojas was a terrible hitter last year.