2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[Lee Stone]

Lou, would you trade one of Edward Cabrera, Jesus Luzardo, or Trevor Rogers for Oswald Peraza?

[lou]

I don’t think they’d have to have the best season of their careers, just above average seasons for key players like Soler and Garcia

What do you mean, this isn't going to happen? This is a top 6-8 offense!

Fortes (Career) 274 PA 1.7 WAR
Stallings (2021) 427 PA 2.5 WAR
Cooper (Career per 550 PA) - 1.8 WAR
Arraez (2022) 603 PA - 3.2 WAR
Wendle (2021) 501 PA - 2.9 WAR
Berti (2022) 404 PA - 2.3 WAR
Segura (2021) 567 PA - 3.4 WAR
Groshans (Zips 2023) 266 PA - .7 WAR
DLC (Career).574 PA - 1.7 WAR
J. Sanchez (2022) 343 PA - .9 WAR
Jazz (Zips 2023) 574 PA - 3.9 WAR
Garcia (2021) 515 PA - 2.8 WAR
Soler (4 year average) 600 PA - 1.6 WAR

[lou]

Lou, would you trade one of Edward Cabrera, Jesus Luzardo, or Trevor Rogers for Oswald Peraza?

Absolutely (might need ancillary pieces involved but as a centerpiece player, no problem. This team needs a longterm SS and has pitching depth)

[Namaste]

JJ Bleday was not at FanFest..

Huge shoutout to Jesus Sanchez. The guy stood in the hot sun for hours putting balls on tees for the kids, taking photos with them etc. My sons and I saw him like 5 times walking the concourse. Sixto Sanchez was on the Diamond for about 10 minutes and we never saw him again.

My sons got a photo with Wendle (who was a part of the free clubhouse tour), Berti, Sanchez and surprisingly, they got a nice selfie with Jazz somehow as he was getting mobbed while walking the concourse. FanFest was packed.

[fauowls44]

Puk told Oakland he wanted to start and they didn't disagree so they were going to stretch him out. Just saying, might not necessarily be just a reliever although that's likely the obvious move. In any event, he's a welcome addition wherever he lands. He's good. I really don't get Oakland's thinking here. Bleday is a swing path away from exploding, but you can say that about 100 guys at all times and most don't do it. He's a good prospective add, but not at the expense of a maybe SP or high leverage pen arm with 4 years of control. But whatever. Arraez fills that Gurriel spot IMO - that's the backup 1B situation and since there are no other bats around, you rely on effectively Berti to take over 2B (as well as their arguably top 3 bats in AAA are Amaya, Groshans, and Edwards. Or you just move Jazz back and maybe Sanchez/Burdick/Jerar can handle an OF spot), etc. I don't see how Voit or Mouse help compared to what happens if Wendle gets hurt. It's still a SS as the most impactful add to me.

As mentioned if they can pull a Reynolds+Bednar/Brubacker and only shave 1 MLB arm doing that (call it Rogers, Meyer, Eder, J. Sanchez, 1-2 decent things outside top 10 prospects), and sign Andrus on top of that (or even better trade for Rosario without hurting the MLB team) I think the Phillies would be concerned.

I could see your point about Arraez filling that Gurriel role, but they had just made the trade when the Gurriel stuff started swirling, so they obviously had something in mind for him. Not sure I see what the purpose is either, but there was something there. Maybe they reconsidered and decided to go with the younger guys like Jerar, but I wouldn’t rule out another vet bat being added cheap.

One small concern for me now is the OF depth in the upper minors without Bleday. if Sanchez and/or DLC struggle again there isn’t much besides Jerar in AAA. My guess is the AAA OF will consist of some combination of Jerar, Conine, Magnum, Miller, and possibly VVM. LeBlanc can also play a corner spot. But the point is, not much in the way of OF prospects in the system. I wonder if they look at drafting a college OF early this year.

The AAA infield should be fun to keep an eye on at least. Have to have one of Amaya, Groshans, or Edwards can develop into a future starting SS this season. I’m actually hoping one of them does enough to win the job this spring and pushes Wendle to the super utility role. He can play a corner OF spot too and sort of solve my first concern.

[Nick]

I could see your point about Arraez filling that Gurriel role, but they had just made the trade when the Gurriel stuff started swirling, so they obviously had something in mind for him. Not sure I see what the purpose is either, but there was something there. Maybe they reconsidered and decided to go with the younger guys like Jerar, but I wouldn’t rule out another vet bat being added cheap.

One small concern for me now is the OF depth in the upper minors without Bleday. if Sanchez and/or DLC struggle again there isn’t much besides Jerar in AAA. My guess is the AAA OF will consist of some combination of Jerar, Conine, Magnum, Miller, and possibly VVM. LeBlanc can also play a corner spot. But the point is, not much in the way of OF prospects in the system. I wonder if they look at drafting a college OF early this year.

The AAA infield should be fun to keep an eye on at least. Have to have one of Amaya, Groshans, or Edwards can develop into a future starting SS this season. I’m actually hoping one of them does enough to win the job this spring and pushes Wendle to the super utility role. He can play a corner OF spot too and sort of solve my first concern.

You’re forgetting about Burdick.

Bold Prediction: Burdick establishes himself as the best of the DLC/Sanchez/Jerar group by the end of the year.

[fauowls44]

You’re forgetting about Burdick.

Bold Prediction: Burdick establishes himself as the best of the DLC/Sanchez/Jerar group by the end of the year.

Oops! You’re right. I forgot him. It would be great if he can figure it out this season. I could definitely see him ending up being the best of those options.

[lou]

I could see your point about Arraez filling that Gurriel role, but they had just made the trade when the Gurriel stuff started swirling, so they obviously had something in mind for him. Not sure I see what the purpose is either, but there was something there. Maybe they reconsidered and decided to go with the younger guys like Jerar, but I wouldn’t rule out another vet bat being added cheap.

One small concern for me now is the OF depth in the upper minors without Bleday. if Sanchez and/or DLC struggle again there isn’t much besides Jerar in AAA. My guess is the AAA OF will consist of some combination of Jerar, Conine, Magnum, Miller, and possibly VVM. LeBlanc can also play a corner spot. But the point is, not much in the way of OF prospects in the system. I wonder if they look at drafting a college OF early this year.

The AAA infield should be fun to keep an eye on at least. Have to have one of Amaya, Groshans, or Edwards can develop into a future starting SS this season. I’m actually hoping one of them does enough to win the job this spring and pushes Wendle to the super utility role. He can play a corner OF spot too and sort of solve my first concern.

This again shifts to Arraez just moving to LF and Berti playing 2B. Or Soler moves to LF, Arraez 1B, Cooper DH, and Berti/etc. to 2B. There is some real flexibility here with how they can use Arraez (as well as Jazz and Berti). If Jazz/Garcia/Soler are fine, LF will just work itself out even if it's not the most efficient usage we could hope for IMO.

I think the short and longterm roster makes a lot of sense TBH, absent they need 2-3 things: longterm SS/CF (opposite Jazz. This is a now upgrade), longterm 1B/DH (opposite Berry, i.e. they wanted Casas bad. This one can be in a year), and if neither of those two are a total star player (likely since you know, they should have just signed one of the big 4 SS or Nimmo), a longterm star anywhere Jazz/Arraez aren't playing (effectively, Reynolds).

Also the draft is such a crapshoot I think you just take the top college bat who is projected at C/2B/SS/3B/CF and see how things land in 3 years. Basically, no DH only types uh. You never know. Profar was a SS and is now a LF. Jazz is now a CF. All these guys move.

[lou]

Huge shoutout to Jesus Sanchez. The guy stood in the hot sun for hours putting balls on tees for the kids, taking photos with them etc. My sons and I saw him like 5 times walking the concourse. Sixto Sanchez was on the Diamond for about 10 minutes and we never saw him again.

Nice to hear Sanchez may have "grown" from his immaturity last year. Let's hope this also positively impacts the hacking/whiff rates.

[fish16]

Like I said last week, I think the gurriel thing comes back to our ability to hit lefties. As we went over, Sanchez obviously can’t hit lefties and dlc is somehow better against righties, so I’d like to see that last bench bat go to gurriel. Moves Cooper to dh, soler to lf against lefties, and berti at ss. Leaves dlc, Sanchez, wendle, and stallings off the bench. I like the idea, and gurriel can’t cost too much.

[Lee Stone]

Gurriel, still another guy who can't run. Garcia, Arraez, Soler, Cooper, Stallings - that's a whole lot of slow.

[fish16]

Gurriel, still another guy who can't run. Garcia, Arraez, Soler, Cooper, Stallings - that's a whole lot of slow.

As opposed to last year where we had all of those guys apart from Arraez, one of the best pure hitters in all of baseball, as well as the leading sb guy in all of baseball in berti? We had 3 guys last year steal more than 10 bags, all 3 are still on the team.

[Todd]

Korean standout Lee Jung-Hoo is apparently going to be posted after the KBO season.

Hit .342/.407/.495 in 6 seasons/3146 ABs. 53 more BB than K in his career.

There is course going to be some bit of drop-off going from the KBO to MLB, but his approach makes most think he will make the jump well.

Will be just 25.

He will break records of Korean players most likely but its the type of move the Marlins need to make.

[sports24/7]

Like I said last week, I think the gurriel thing comes back to our ability to hit lefties. As we went over, Sanchez obviously can’t hit lefties and dlc is somehow better against righties, so I’d like to see that last bench bat go to gurriel. Moves Cooper to dh, soler to lf against lefties, and berti at ss. Leaves dlc, Sanchez, wendle, and stallings off the bench. I like the idea, and gurriel can’t cost too much.

Someone on twitter asked Mish if Miami was still interested in him, and he said Miami is out on him.

[Nick]

Korean standout Lee Jung-Hoo is apparently going to be posted after the KBO season.

Hit .342/.407/.495 in 6 seasons/3146 ABs. 53 more BB than K in his career.

There is course going to be some bit of drop-off going from the KBO to MLB, but his approach makes most think he will make the jump well.

Will be just 25.

He will break records of Korean players most likely but its the type of move the Marlins need to make.

Big fan of him when I was watching KBO during the Pandemic.