2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

Bleier cuts $3.75m ($3.5m + $.25m buyout) and this adds $10.6m ($8.375m + $2.25m buyout). So they are adding $7m here over 2 years, so I agree with other post, I do hope Boston is covering "something" here as adding $7m and losing 1 season of Bleier seems like a lot for Barnes alone. Effectively, if Boston sends over $3m bucks also, Bleier and Barnes are each 1/$7m+ players for each of them and that seems like a pretty fair trade all around if that happens. An equal exchange for a R/L and each has an option if they work out for next year and Bleier's is much less.

Devin Smeltzer is a quasi-Bleier clone too (who can start)... as well as this is suggestive Garret is becoming their bulk reliever for a third pen lefty. So all of this makes sense if they get a little money or a low-end FV40 prospect from Boston.

Sandy, Luzardo, Cueto, Rogers, Cabrera
Barnes, Floro, Chargois, Nance, Enright
Garrett, Scott, Okert

Looks pretty good with Eury, Eder, Sixto, Smeltzer, (Castano, Brazoban), and the RP prospects (Simpson, Nardi, Soriano, Villalobos, Reynolds) in AAA. Frankly this is an entire second pitching staff if we include Meyer, Bender, Fulton, and McCambley long term.

His salary is 7.5 with a signing bonus bringing it to 8.375. Do we pay that or do/have the sox already paid that? Either way, that's a relatively small amount of payroll to add this year for a potential major upgrade in the backend of the pen.

[lou]

So we got 1 million in cash. Barnes contract for this year is 7.5 million, plus a club option next year for 8. Bleier's salary was 3.5 this year. So we essentially took on $3 million more and added Barnes and lost Bleier while we have multiple lefty options already. Good deal for a small cost.

Didn't see this before posting. So $1m is a little lower than I'd hope..... but Barnes is effectively $1/6.75 with a $9m option/$2.25 buyout. Option could scale a little if he's good it seems. So he is effectively 1/$9 or 2/$16mish, and technically $3.75m cheaper as Bleier is off the books so call it 1/$5.5 or 2/$12.5 and no Bleier.

Pretty solid idea here with their lefty depth.

[lou]

Would have preferred an Alex Reyes, and who knows maybe thats still on the table, but barnes is a really nice consolation prize and gives us another late inning option with back end experience. Peripherals arent terrible, maybe the change of scenery to a much different enviroment can bring back the all star form. Love the move, especially offloading bleiers money. This is in all likelihood a very close to money neutral move. and we clearly got the better reliever.

Do that too

[fauowls44]

Barnes is basically as good as any of the current FA reliever options, so a pretty good deal. Had a very good 2nd half after a horrendous April and May and was an All Star in 2021.

I'd still like to see them take a flier on Reyes on an incentive-laden deal and try to get him healthy.

[rmc523]

Miami will also get cash considerations on top of this reliever-for-reliever swap, per Jordan McPherson of the Miami Herald. Mish has that sum at about $1MM, to offset a portion of the $7.55MM salary that Barnes is owed in 2023 and the $2.5MM buyout on his $8MM club option for 2024. Bleier is due $3.5MM this season and carries a $3.75MM club option (or $250K buyout) for 2024.

[fauowls44]

Before this trade today, I thought they needed a back-end arm in the pen and another bat (either LF or 1B). Now bullpen is off the list. They need to go find 1 more bat to complete the offseason. Not great options left unless they swing another pitcher for hitter trade. Profar fits the profile, but I haven't heard much about him lately. Since Yuli Gurriel is still unsigned, I suppose it's possible they circle back to him.

[lou]

Barnes is basically as good as any of the current FA reliever options, so a pretty good deal. Had a very good 2nd half after a horrendous April and May and was an All Star in 2021.

I'd still like to see them take a flier on Reyes on an incentive-laden deal and try to get him healthy.

100%. I believe Reyes is hurt and will miss some of April. Talk about a call up potential of Eury, Eder, Sixto, and Reyes if those guys are healthy and ready by then too if they added him.

Don't know how they will be a top half offense, but the pitching is going to be fun.

[fish16]

one thing to think about with barnes in 2024 in beyond- if the change of scenery works out really well and he's back in form this year, we could have 2 really nice options moving forward for next year. either theyve found a nice stop gap closer for 2 years, with next year being 8 million, or they are confident in one of these super young flame-throwing SP prospects moving to closer next year and either having a really nice set up option in barnes, or a really nice expiring contract trade piece next offseason. Either way, i really like the move. Go get Reyes now and then reynolds please and then lets get to opening day.

Either way, Ng has done a good job this offseason trimming some fat and making some moves with her limited resources. Still need that 1 piece (Please Reynolds as i said), but pretty good offseason with her hands tied behind her back.

Gone from last year are Rojas, Aguilar, Anderson, Lewin, Pablo, Elieser. In are Arraez, Segura, Cueto, Chargois, Enright, Barnes, Edwards, Amaya.

[fish16]

Also, i think Nic Enright has the chance to be a closer at some point, or at least our next really good bullpen find. If you look at his numbers in the minors, he is ridiculous. I think he will start off in middle relief but it wont be long before he's pitching in key situations. No one talks about rule 5 guys, but he was a great pick.

[lou]

Before this trade today, I thought they needed a back-end arm in the pen and another bat (either LF or 1B). Now bullpen is off the list. They need to go find 1 more bat to complete the offseason. Not great options left unless they swing another pitcher for hitter trade. Profar fits the profile, but I haven't heard much about him lately. Since Yuli Gurriel is still unsigned, I suppose it's possible they circle back to him.

Profar is OK but isn't moving the needle absent them doing some other move (like trading DLC, Berti, or Wendle out). Also may be a little expensive as Profar should be getting a $2/$18-22 type of deal as a floor.

Getting Wendle to the bench is the idea for me. They like DLC a lot and Sanchez has some potential so I can see them rolling with that knowing Bleday/Burdick/Jerar can all break out and maybe June/July is get an OF if needed territory. Worst case Soler can play LF, Arraez 1B, Cooper DH, and you have Wendle/Berti as a 2B starter you know. Basically, they have a lot of redundancy here.

Fortes, Stallings
Cooper (Arraez)
Arraez, Berti
_____, Wendle
Segura (Wendle/Berti)
DLC, Sanchez
Jazz
Garcia
Soler

Andrus is it in FA (and does make some sense even if they need more than just him), but Rosario/Peraza is the real prize IMO.

[lou]

Also, i think Nic Enright has the chance to be a closer at some point, or at least our next really good bullpen find. If you look at his numbers in the minors, he is ridiculous. I think he will start off in middle relief but it wont be long before he's pitching in key situations. No one talks about rule 5 guys, but he was a great pick.

He's a fine pick, but Cleveland is very smart with their relievers. He was part of a numbers crunch yes, but no one else traded for him in baseball and he wasn't the top Rule V pick. Let's just keep it in perspective. He is a good flyer bet but if he was great he'd be on Cleveland right now more than likely.

[fauowls44]

100%. I believe Reyes is hurt and will miss some of April. Talk about a call up potential of Eury, Eder, Sixto, and Reyes if those guys are healthy and ready by then too if they added him.

Don't know how they will be a top half offense, but the pitching is going to be fun.

Agree. The offense only works if Garcia and Soler are way better than they showed last year. It's not a terrible bet that both guys bounce back. It's good to see both of them working out at the ballpark a ton, so we will see. I'd also like to see Amaya (Groshans or Edwards would work too) win the SS job in spring training.

[Namaste]

Jazz will be on the cover of MLB The Show 2023. That’s kinda huge.

[fish16]

Jazz will be on the cover of MLB The Show 2023. That’s kinda huge.

that's really surprising that a marlins player would be the cover but awesome.

[Namaste]

that's really surprising that a marlins player would be the cover.

Exactly.