2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[sports24/7]

Mish reporting we are interested in justin turner. Highly doubt he chooses to come here as some sort of contender will give him some sort of role that is more attractive than coming here, but if they can get him thats a nice stop gap for 2 years. Much prefer him than wendle. His numbers were down a little last year but i think that was more due to the lockout than purely getting older, although there is obviously some of that in there. He was terrible in April and it brought down his numbers for the year. He was great in the 2nd half. Turner + Lewis + arraez while just giving up pablo and spending money is a no brainer to me if thats on the table.

C- Fortes
1b- Arraez/Cooper
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas/Wendle (would like an upgrade there like rosario if the only piece we give up for Arraez and Lewis would be pablo)
3b- Turner
LF- Sanchez/Bleday/burdick combo
CF- Lewis
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler/Cooper

Purely hypothetical as i dont think turner would sign here and its very questionable whether pablo would be enough to get arraez and lewis, but if it is then you find whatever you need in the minor league system (no major leaguers) to get Rosario. That's a damn good team with rosario. And it's not all that expensive.

In a vacuum I like the idea of Turner. I think there are probably better ways to team build, and you'd rather them go younger, but Turner is a good player, and a good locker room guy. Also, this team has to operate like they're in their window now, and that they get somewhat of a bounce back from Soler and Garcia because those guys will still be here, and they're not going to completely overhaul things. Maybe he won't choose Miami over others, but maybe he gets the most money here (plus the no state income tax thing), and he's already won a WS. He's also a big Dolphins fan. Not sure that would impact his decision, lol, but it can't hurt. Hook him up with season tickets.

[sports24/7]

I've done the surplus value math:

Reynolds alone and it's close to a straight up with Rogers and Salas/Cappe/Meyer/Eder. Basically whoever the Pirates consider a FV50 prospect. Prevailing wisdom says Salas. Rogers has another year of control and is going to be cheaper than Reynolds which is the difference. If anything, we're talking about throw-ins outside top 15-20 after this, or maybe they just include someone a bit better than that like Burdick. Alternatively, if Rogers is a no-go, it becomes an extremely Yelich like aggressive package - Berry, Meyer, Salas/Cappe, and Fulton/Miller/I. Lewis sort of thing. I think you go with the Rogers package here all things considered.

This is why I think you add Bedner and Brubaker. Pirates don't need a fancy reliever non-contending and Brubaker is a 4th SP at best and they don't care. Get them both Rogers and Salas for the top-end OOMPH, and then an assortment of prospects - maybe Eder/Fulton/Miller/Lewis (a really nice third player), Sanchez/Bleday, Burdick/Jerar, and a RP prospect. That math works out too and maybe have it be two RP prospects and add Simpson/Reynolds/Nardi as a lefty.

A lot of permutations here, but it adds up well. The issue then becomes, still need a platoon side CF at minimum but hey, Reynolds is GOOD so worry about that tomorrow.

From a value standpoint, a Rogers-led package would probably be ideal. The problem with that is the industry is probably split on his value. We've heard there are teams still very high on him, but you'd have to imagine others will be scared off by his 2022 season. Hopefully the Pirates fall into the former category.

[lou]

From a value standpoint, a Rogers-led package would probably be ideal. The problem with that is the industry is probably split on his value. We've heard there are teams still very high on him, but you'd have to imagine others will be scared off by his 2022 season. Hopefully the Pirates fall into the former category.

Their negotiating posture will be lower of course. I think it's a debate on player 3.

Rogers and Berry/Salas/Cappe would be a *must* and then who is player 3? Everything past that is throw-ins no one cares about (i.e. Burdick).

I think we know they'll want Meyer/Eder, and the Marlins will push back with Fulton/Miller/Lewis/others.

Guess we'll see.

[lou]

And oh man is Lee going to be excited when he sees the newest Marlins AAA numbers - https://www.fangraphs.com/players/au...ats?position=C

Seems like a fine MILB signing and their third catcher so that minor need is scratched off the list.

[Lee Stone]

My pick as most likely free agent signing for Marlins? Brandon Drury.

[lou]

My pick as most likely free agent signing for Marlins? Brandon Drury.

He makes sense if they also get a SS and CF

This is basically the same analysis as Arraez above (or getting Justin Turner) - 100+ games at 3B and 50+ games at 1B, and Berti then grabs time at 2B.

1B - Cooper 110 / Drury 50
2B - Jazz 140 / Berti 20
3B - Drury 90 / Berti 70

Berti gets more games if Drury has to kick out to LF if all the LFers suck/injuries. Good flexibility.


But, still need SS and CF. And we're putting "a lot" of faith into Drury's 2022 as I assume he gets a 2-3 year deal. I'm fine kicking Groshans/LeBlanc to AAA for a year. They have options.

[fish16]

Ok here's one - Fangraphs overall WAR totals.

Arraez had a 3.1 war last year in 603 PA. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/lu...ts?position=2B

Berti 2022 had a 2.3 war in 404 PA. Scale to 603 PA, Berti played at a 3.4 war pace. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jo...position=2B/3B

Wendle 2021 had a 2.9 war in 501 PA. Scale to 603 PA, Wendle played at a 3.5 war pace in 2021. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jo...position=2B/3B


These are factual statistics that Berti in 2022 and Wendle in 2021 - when they played and those are not small sample sizes - they out produced Arraez in 2022. So you're wrong.

If you're trying to figure out how this happened, it's because Arraez isn't being used to the full extent of his value playing out of position at 1B and LF - which have minimal defensive value versus being an above average 2B/SS/3B type. Also note, Wendle/Arraez are average at best base runners and Berti is super elite, adding some real value to him. If you want to argue being a "hitter" you at minimum can't ignore the base paths. Simply stated, if arguing "production is production" you cannot cherry pick this and simply look at something like OPS. As mentioned, your arguments will be stronger when not contradictory.

As stated, play Arraez at 2B and he would likely decimate Berti and Wendle as yea, they are older at this point and Arraez is ascending or has hit a great peak for himself offensively. Get Jazz to SS or CF, or Arraez as a 100+ game starter at 3B/2B off days, and sure let's talk. I did get a chuckle when pasting those URLs that Fangraphs denotes him as a 2B. But what do I know.

I think the fact that WAR is calculated based on position is dumb. It's why i dont use it as the end all be all like you. There should be a single standard for production and use it to judge all players based off that "replacement player," regardless of position. You'd get a more honest assessment of how good a player is and how much they actually impact the game. As of now, WAR means different things at different positions, when i think it should just reflect a players impact on a game regardless of position. You can then say "Oh he puts up ____ WAR, that's fine production for 2b" if you want.

I also think as ive said many times that WAR has no clue how to evaluate defense and it leads to way overvaluing defense and wild swings in defensive evaluation. The extra plays an exceptional defender makes over the course of the year compared to an average defender does not come nearly close to the value produced by an exceptional hitter vs an average hitter over the course of the year. It's why i use counting stats and other stats with fairly basic calculations like OPS, OBP, slugging etc. It's easier to evaluate how good a guy is, and it doesnt have to involve a formula that a guy or a group of people had to come up with. If you have wild variations in the calculation of a stat based on which website you're getting it from, it's probably safe to say it's not the best measurement of players.

OWAR isnt much better because it still takes positions production comes from into consideration, but it at least gets rid of the untrustworthy "noise" of the normal war that takes into consideration defense, which they dont know how to adequately measure. Even based on the positional value of Arraez playing 1b, 3b, LF, and DH for most of the last 2 years, he has still put up OWAR of 3.8 and 2.4 vs Berti's 2.1 and .3. Im not even sure what your argument is, but if you think Berti and Wendle are anywhere close to Arraez is in terms of production its laughable and that can be the end of it.

I dont care what position the production comes from offensively, production doesnt change based on whether a guy was playing 1b or 2b at the time. Like I said before, if Jazz puts up produciton that would be elite at 1b while playing 2b, and Arraez puts up what would be elite production at 2b but while playing 1b, the production is the same, and to weight it differently based on the position they are playing is a completely antiquated way of evaluating talent.

From fangraphs own admissions:

For position players, the largest point of contention comes in measuring defense and estimating the positional adjustment. Our measures of both are more uncertain than our measures of offense, so players who get a good amount of their value through their defensive ratings likely have more uncertainty around their WAR value than players who have defensive value closer to average. This does not mean that WAR is wrong or biased, but rather that it is not yet capable of perfect accuracy and should be used as such.

https://seamheads.com/blog/2019/02/1...fensive-value/

And more.

[lou]

I think the fact that WAR is calculated based on position is dumb. It's why i dont use it as the end all be all like you. There should be a single standard for production and use it to judge all players based off that "replacement player," regardless of position. You'd get a more honest assessment of how good a player is and how much they actually impact the game. As of now, WAR means different things at different positions, when i think it should just reflect a players impact on a game regardless of position. You can then say "Oh he puts up ____ WAR, that's fine production for 2b" if you want.

I also think as ive said many times that WAR has no clue how to evaluate defense and it leads to way overvaluing defense and wild swings in defensive evaluation. The extra plays an exceptional defender makes over the course of the year compared to an average defender does not come nearly close to the value produced by an exceptional hitter vs an average hitter over the course of the year. It's why i use counting stats and other stats with fairly basic calculations like OPS, OBP, slugging etc. It's easier to evaluate how good a guy is, and it doesnt have to involve a formula that a guy or a group of people had to come up with. If you have wild variations in the calculation of a stat based on which website you're getting it from, it's probably safe to say it's not the best measurement of players.

OWAR isnt much better because it still takes positions production comes from into consideration, but it at least gets rid of the untrustworthy "noise" of the normal war that takes into consideration defense, which they dont know how to adequately measure. Even based on the positional value of Arraez playing 1b, 3b, LF, and DH for most of the last 2 years, he has still put up OWAR of 3.8 and 2.4 vs Berti's 2.1 and .3. Im not even sure what your argument is, but if you think Berti and Wendle are anywhere close to Arraez is in terms of production its laughable and that can be the end of it.

I dont care what position the production comes from offensively, production doesnt change based on whether a guy was playing 1b or 2b at the time. Like I said before, if Jazz puts up produciton that would be elite at 1b while playing 2b, and Arraez puts up what would be elite production at 2b but while playing 1b, the production is the same, and to weight it differently based on the position they are playing is a completely antiquated way of evaluating talent.

From fangraphs own admissions:

So basically this is an alternative facts argument as you don't like you got massively called out yet again. Your position was - There is not a single measurement which says that Arraez on a pa to pa comparison is anywhere close to Berti, Rojas, or Wendle as a hitter. And yet when provided very quickly Berti 2022/Wendle 2021 were in fact better PA-to-PA to a widespread acknowledged metric (even if there are flaws), you just agree to disagree and say its laughable. Like, this isn't how the world works. We can't just make up an alternate reality and live in an echo chamber.

Also you're missing the forest in the trees here with your bold above (and ignoring you can't argue "production is production" - except if defense or base running then that doesn't count) - maybe Arraez is a solid starter at 1B, but he is BETTER than that at 2B because playing that position is HARDER and more IMPACTFUL. So WHY are the Marlins liquidating major assets to not get THE BEST version of a player. Why would they trade a lot to get 80% of a guy at 1B when he is worth 100% at 2B? Clearly, Jazz is best at 2B so why are they doing this? Why are we talking about getting a 2B who can play 1B? As stated - if he can play 2B/3B over 66% of the time or Jazz can move to SS/CF, LFG? He'd be great in that role. Until those questions can be answered, he is an objectively bad player for the Marlins to target as they will not be maximizing their "small market" team. Let's MAXIMIZE returns here and make a cohesive team? Why is this so confusing?

BTW - this is a message board not a thesis defense. If we're going to haphazardly talk about valuation quickly in a message board setting, what single statistic would be best to do so?

[fish16]

So basically this is an alternative facts argument as you don't like you got massively called out yet again. Your position was - There is not a single measurement which says that Arraez on a pa to pa comparison is anywhere close to Berti, Rojas, or Wendle as a hitter. And yet when provided very quickly Berti 2022/Wendle 2021 were in fact better PA-to-PA to a widespread acknowledged metric (even if there are flaws), you just agree to disagree and say its laughable. Like, this isn't how the world works. We can't just make up an alternate reality and live in an echo chamber.

Also you're missing the forest in the trees here with your bold above (and ignoring you can't argue "production is production" - except if defense or base running then that doesn't count) - maybe Arraez is a solid starter at 1B, but he is BETTER than that at 2B because playing that position is HARDER and more IMPACTFUL. So WHY are the Marlins liquidating major assets to not get THE BEST version of a player. Why would they trade a lot to get 80% of a guy at 1B when he is worth 100% at 2B? Clearly, Jazz is best at 2B so why are they doing this? Why are we talking about getting a 2B who can play 1B? As stated - if he can play 2B/3B over 66% of the time or Jazz can move to SS/CF, LFG? He'd be great in that role. Until those questions can be answered, he is an objectively bad player for the Marlins to target as they will not be maximizing their "small market" team. Let's MAXIMIZE returns here and make a cohesive team? Why is this so confusing?

BTW - this is a message board not a thesis defense. If we're going to haphazardly talk about valuation quickly in a message board setting, what single statistic would be best to do so?

You didnt call me out massively and it is laughable. There is no single statistic that adequately measures every bit of value a guy produces. Sorry, it's not that easy. You used a bad statistic that is measuring apples to oranges because 1) it way overvalues defense like the 2 articles i showed you talked about and 2), their war calculations are based on different positions which you yourself acknowledges is the reason why their WAR's are anywhere close. Please find me a statistic that doesnt weight based on their own personal opinion on what each position should be weighed and show me something even remotely close productivity-wise between Arraez and those guys. That is why i say you rely too much on WAR. It is wildly inaccurate and your bloodthirsty desire for a single stat that tells you everything you need to know about a player and their value is why you continue to make stupid fucking points every offseason like Jacob Stallings can comfortably be slotted into our C position and produce 2-3+ WAR when it was clear that they drastically overvalued his defense and are wildly off frequently with how to value and weight defensive play.

Ive never said defense or base running doesnt count, ive said none of these all-encompassing stats like WAR know how to adequately grade defense at all given its widespread variations on a year to year basis and the unknown/guessing game of how to weigh it properly. Read the 2 articles i posted. This has always been the problem with WAR and any other sports' attempts to produce any kind of all-encompassing, one size fits all stat that accurately measures a player's entire value. That simply doesnt exist, no matter how much you want to think it does. Not everything is as simple as look at this stat someone determined is accurate, that's how we now determine what a player is. Sorry, we're not there yet. It's ok to have to take multiple data points to come up with an evaluation of a player. Give me objective stats like OPS, Slugging, K/BB ratio, even average to an extent, and compare the multiple data points. Not everything is as basic as "Look at this stat and the number it produces based on a particular formula a group of people come up with, that's the players value."

https://seamheads.com/blog/2019/02/1...fensive-value/

Again, read the article and the holy god of fangraphs own admission about the unreliability of their valuation and weight of defense/baserunning.

some more from an old article from Passan when he was still at yahoo about the troubles of measuring defense:
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-deg...NF0iDrvUsXE2qY

[lou]

You didnt call me out massively and it is laughable. There is no single statistic that adequately measures every bit of value a guy produces. Sorry, it's not that easy. You used a bad statistic that is measuring apples to oranges because 1) it way overvalues defense like the 2 articles i showed you talked about and 2), their war calculations are based on different positions which you yourself acknowledges is the reason why their WAR's are anywhere close. Please find me a statistic that doesnt weight based on their own personal opinion on what each position should be weighed and show me something even remotely close productivity-wise between Arraez and those guys. That is why i say you rely too much on WAR. It is wildly inaccurate and your bloodthirsty desire for a single stat that tells you everything you need to know about a player and their value is why you continue to make stupid fucking points every offseason like Jacob Stallings can comfortably be slotted into our C position and produce 2-3+ WAR when it was clear that they drastically overvalued his defense and are wildly off frequently with how to value and weight defensive play.

Ive never said defense or base running doesnt count, ive said none of these all-encompassing stats like WAR know how to adequately grade defense at all given its widespread variations on a year to year basis and the unknown/guessing game of how to weigh it properly. Read the 2 articles i posted. This has always been the problem with WAR and any other sports' attempts to produce any kind of all-encompassing, one size fits all stat that accurately measures a player's entire value. That simply doesnt exist, no matter how much you want to think it does. Not everything is as simple as look at this stat someone determined is accurate, that's how we now determine what a player is. Sorry, we're not there yet. It's ok to have to take multiple data points to come up with an evaluation of a player. Give me objective stats like OPS, Slugging, K/BB ratio, even average to an extent, and compare the multiple data points. Not everything is as basic as "Look at this stat and the number it produces based on a particular formula a group of people come up with, that's the players value."

https://seamheads.com/blog/2019/02/1...fensive-value/

Again, read the article and the holy god of fangraphs own admission about the unreliability of their valuation and weight of defense/baserunning.

some more from an old article from Passan when he was still at yahoo about the troubles of measuring defense:
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-deg...NF0iDrvUsXE2qY

Do you realize fWAR is a single measurement (your words. You didn't say multiple data points)? So now you are pivoting to oh no, not THAT measurement instead of just saying gee, it looks like Berti in 2022 and Wendle in 2021 were pretty damn good. You are not smarter than all of Fangraphs. Set your hubris aside. Alternative Fish Facts are rejected.

BTW, let's use the combination of oWAR and dWAR from baseball reference to give credibility to hitting and defense. Since we hate fangraphs and all.

2022 - Arraez - 3.9 (603 PA)
2022 - Berti - 2.7 (404 PA)
2021 - Wendle - 4.2 (501 PA)
2022 Wendle - 2.7 (371 PA)

I'll let you normalize those per 603 PA to match Arraez. So effectively, it's the same analysis. Berti and Wendle were pretty much as good PA to PA in 2022 and 2021 respectfully. Likewise, check out Wendle in 2022. Baseball reference likes him EVEN MORE than Fangraphs.


Do you realize the bold is EXACTLY why you would play Arraez at 2B and not 1B? LET'S MAXIMIZE TALENT. And I said Arraez would be great at 2B if the Marlins got him and just left him there? So you're agreeing with me regardless if you realize that or not. You're just mad you are wrong and have a sensitivity issue? Frankie says relax.

Give it a rest my man. Trading for a 2B to play 1B is fucking stupid, but that doesn't mean Arraez is not a nice player if you play him at 2B. I'll keep saying it - show me Arraez able to play 100+ games at 2B/3B or Jazz can start at SS or CF, and go get him.

Are we so desperate as marlins fans we will do backflips to fit any good player into the lineup? Even a 2B?

[fish16]

Do you realize fWAR is a single measurement (your words. You didn't say multiple data points)? So now you are pivoting to oh no, not THAT measurement instead of just saying gee, it looks like Berti in 2022 and Wendle in 2021 were pretty damn good. You are not smarter than all of Fangraphs. Set your hubris aside. Alternative Fish Facts are rejected.

BTW, let's use the combination of oWAR and dWAR from baseball reference to give credibility to hitting and defense. Since we hate fangraphs and all.

2022 - Arraez - 3.9 (603 PA)
2022 - Berti - 2.7 (404 PA)
2021 - Wendle - 4.2 (501 PA)
2022 Wendle - 2.7 (371 PA)

I'll let you normalize those per 603 PA to match Arraez. So effectively, it's the same analysis. Berti and Wendle were pretty much as good PA to PA in 2022 and 2021 respectfully. Likewise, check out Wendle in 2022. Baseball reference likes him EVEN MORE than Fangraphs.


Do you realize the bold is EXACTLY why you would play Arraez at 2B and not 1B? LET'S MAXIMIZE TALENT. And I said Arraez would be great at 2B if the Marlins got him and just left him there? So you're agreeing with me regardless if you realize that or not. You're just mad you are wrong and have a sensitivity issue? Frankie says relax.

Give it a rest my man. Trading for a 2B to play 1B is fucking stupid, but that doesn't mean Arraez is not a nice player if you play him at 2B. I'll keep saying it - show me Arraez able to play 100+ games at 2B/3B or Jazz can start at SS or CF, and go get him.

Are we so desperate as marlins fans we will do backflips to fit any good player into the lineup? Even a 2B?

No one is pivoting anything. You're using a stat that has different baselines to try to make it seem like they were remotely comparable as players. Again, you're comparing apples to oranges using WAR because it stupidly weights different positions differently. There is no reason why there cant be a WAR type stat that has a consistent baseline of an overall average major league player instead of trying to come up with wildly subjective weighting based on position played and what that positions replacement level player is. As I said, you can then compare WAR across positions and come up with what a good enough WAR would be based on what you want out of each position.

Arraez is a nice player regardless of the position he plays. He is a legitimate impact bat that can be one of the best pure hitting players in the entire league, regardless of if he has power that can bring him to a superstar level. As long as he isnt an albatross defensively, which he really isnt at any position, that bat plays regardless of position, and we arent in a position to complain about what position a great bat plays.

Can you please provide a single stat that does not make positional adjustments? Because as of right now the comparisons you're making are nonsensical because the data points to judge their performance are not equal. Find an actual stat, not something that requires a formula with subjective weighting based off what the creator of the stats thinks is the proper weight to apply.

[fish16]

Also this whole conversation is kind of stupid when you’re talking about a guy who just put up a fucking 3.3 war AT FIRST THIRD AND DH MOSTLY

[lou]

No one is pivoting anything. You're using a stat that has different baselines to try to make it seem like they were remotely comparable as players. Again, you're comparing apples to oranges using WAR because it stupidly weights different positions differently. There is no reason why there cant be a WAR type stat that has a consistent baseline of an overall average major league player instead of trying to come up with wildly subjective weighting based on position played and what that positions replacement level player is. As I said, you can then compare WAR across positions and come up with what a good enough WAR would be based on what you want out of each position.

Arraez is a nice player regardless of the position he plays. He is a legitimate impact bat that can be one of the best pure hitting players in the entire league, regardless of if he has power that can bring him to a superstar level. As long as he isnt an albatross defensively, which he really isnt at any position, that bat plays regardless of position, and we arent in a position to complain about what position a great bat plays.

Can you please provide a single stat that does not make positional adjustments? Because as of right now the comparisons you're making are nonsensical because the data points to judge their performance are not equal. Find an actual stat, not something that requires a formula with subjective weighting based off what the creator of the stats thinks is the proper weight to apply.

I'm actually comparing player to player using, as you put it, a single measurement. Now you want to radically shift the goalposts and claim you're above the analytics community because you want to put a guy who will hit 7 HR at first base because he has a low K rate. This is idiotic. Why don't you go email Joe Frisario and ask him what he thinks about this and even THAT guy is going to laugh in your face. I don't know why I bother.

[fish16]

I'm actually comparing player to player using, as you put it, a single measurement. Now you want to radically shift the goalposts and claim you're above the analytics community because you want to put a guy who will hit 7 HR at first base because he has a low K rate. This is idiotic. Why don't you go email Joe Frisario and ask him what he thinks about this and even THAT guy is going to laugh in your face. I don't know why I bother.

Asking you to judge players with a baseline that is equal isn’t a radical shift of the goal post. You’re comparing a guys war at dh and 1b primarily to guys who played mostly at 2b/ss/3b. There’s not a single actual counting stat that you can show that shows arraez as remotely comparable to berti

and again, using your beloved war, he just put up a 3.3 war playing 98 of his 129 starts at a position other than 2b. Wtf are you even arguing? Because his bat and body type doesn’t fit the profile of 1b you can’t put him there? Because that’s moronic. He just proved he can win a fucking batting title with more walks than k’s and a close to .800 ops at 1b. In what world does that not play. It makes no difference whether that production comes from him playing the field at 2nd vs 1st if he can play both competently defensively, which he can. That bat plays anywhere.

also, Garrett Cooper hit 9 hr’s last year. Arraez literally had a higher slugging percentage than Cooper last year

[lou]

Asking you to judge players with a baseline that is equal isn’t a radical shift of the goal post. You’re comparing a guys war at dh and 1b primarily to guys who played mostly at 2b/ss/3b. There’s not a single actual counting stat that you can show that shows arraez as remotely comparable to berti

and again, using your beloved war, he just put up a 3.3 war playing 98 of his 129 starts at a position other than 2b. Wtf are you even arguing? Because his bat and body type doesn’t fit the profile of 1b you can’t put him there? Because that’s moronic. He just proved he can win a fucking batting title with more walks than k’s and a close to .800 ops at 1b. In what world does that not play. It makes no difference whether that production comes from him playing the field at 2nd vs 1st if he can play both competently defensively, which he can. That bat plays anywhere.

How do you reconcile your positions that:

Arraez is a good 1B and his bat plays up there so while untraditional and yea maybe he is better at 2B, it is fine as production is production and who cares if he is a slap hitter. Its the bottom line.

versus

Reynolds should not be acquired to play CF, despite his bat (which is better than Arraez) playing up in CF, and production is not production in this instance so Reynolds is not a CF and the bottom line we shall ignore