2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[lou]

AAA team will be quite good. (Not that that means anything)

They are going to be very good with a collection of MLB calibre bench options, AAAA guys, and some reasonable prospects. Don't understand the hate.

[lou]

SP Rankings - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-pos...tion-no-16-30/

TLDR - Marlins have an AVERAGE rotation, but the projection might be low if Rogers/Luzardo do get 150 IP and Cabrera/gang stay healthy. The pipeline looks great

Summary
Great - 2B
Above Average, with upside to move up or down - CF
Average, with major upside - SP
Average - C, 3B, DH, Bullpen
Below Average, with real upside hope - LF
Below Average - 1B, SS
Borderline Disaster, but some hope to just be below average - RF


I think this is the first one I disagree with them on. I'll take the over on all of Sandy (3.9 WAR), Luzardo (1.9), Rogers (1.6), Cueto (1.1), Cabrera (1), and Garrett (.9), or at worst, the cumulative over.

[Nick]

SP Rankings - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-pos...tion-no-16-30/

TLDR - Marlins have an AVERAGE rotation, but the projection might be low if Rogers/Luzardo do get 150 IP and Cabrera/gang stay healthy. The pipeline looks great

Summary
Great - 2B
Above Average, with upside to move up or down - CF
Average, with major upside - SP
Average - C, 3B, DH, Bullpen
Below Average, with real upside hope - LF
Below Average - 1B, SS
Borderline Disaster, but some hope to just be below average - RF


I think this is the first one I disagree with them on. I'll take the over on all of Sandy (3.9 WAR), Luzardo (1.9), Rogers (1.6), Cueto (1.1), Cabrera (1), and Garrett (.9), or at worst, the cumulative over.

They are way off on Cabera. (assuming health)

Pablo would be our #4 if he were here. He's the Twins #1, and they're ahead of us. Bullshit.

[Lee Stone]

Lopez was the two last year and made the all star team. How in the world would he rate as the four in Miami this year? Luzardo, Cabrera, and Rogers have a lot to prove before surpassing Pablo.

[lou]

They are way off on Cabera. (assuming health)

Pablo would be our #4 if he were here. He's the Twins #1, and they're ahead of us. Bullshit.

It is a .3 WAR difference so it's irrelevant, but FWIW I think Ryan is going to be awesome with his new pitch, and Mahle,, Gray, and Maeda are good SP when healthy.

Marlins are going to climb here, but just saying the Twins rotation is sneaky deep. They kind of have a situation like we do as Ober is their Garrett and they are both in 15+ rotations in baseball I would imagine.

I'm going to be interested in seeing the second half of this list because the Mariners, Cardinals, Marlins, and Twins are all here and all those rotations are very good. That is 2 playoff teams, the Twins are going to have a real shot, and the Marlins. Hell Cleveland is here too and they are the playoff team if it isn't Minnesota.

[lou]

Lopez was the two last year and made the all star team. How in the world would he rate as the four in Miami this year? Luzardo, Cabrera, and Rogers have a lot to prove before surpassing Pablo.

I think he'd be the Marlins 3 as Cabrera and Rogers have a bit to prove.

I'd take Luzardo straight up over him though ignoring club control (control makes it a definitive Luzardo pick with the service time).

[fish16]

Those rankings have been terrible. They had a top 7 or 8 rotation era last year and Cabrera and luzardo missed significant time. Stop relying on projections, they are awful

they have sandy being nearly 2 war worse than last year. Luzardo put up 2.2 war last year in 100 innings, but somehow he will be less war this year in 138 innings.

just nonsensical. I’m willing to bet any amount of money if Cabrera and luzardo stay healthy they will easily be over 2 war. And rogers will be over 2 war as well in a bounce back

[Nick]

Lopez was the two last year and made the all star team. How in the world would he rate as the four in Miami this year? Luzardo, Cabrera, and Rogers have a lot to prove before surpassing Pablo.

Lopez has never made the all-star team.

[fish16]

Lopez had a 5 era in the second half last year. Lee has been overrating the shit out of him since they traded him. We will look back on that Arraez trade a year from now as a steal. Lopez is a walking shoulder injury. He can’t put together a full year

[fish16]

Saying the marlins have an average rotation should disqualify anything coming out of those projections. They had a top 7 or 8 rotation era last year and Cabrera missed months as did luzardo

[lou]

Those rankings have been terrible. They had a top 7 or 8 rotation era last year and Cabrera and luzardo missed significant time. Stop relying on projections, they are awful

they have sandy being nearly 2 war worse than last year. Luzardo put up 2.2 war last year in 100 innings, but somehow he will be less war this year in 138 innings.

just nonsensical. I’m willing to bet any amount of money if Cabrera and luzardo stay healthy they will easily be over 2 war. And rogers will be over 2 war as well in a bounce back

SP is the only one that I'd say they are off on. But I do think it is a semi-major gripe as this seems low. I bet Twins, Cardinals, Guardians, and Mariners fans also think this way right now.

But maybe they are betting on injuries again like you mentioned as frankly, the Marlins back 5 SP are all injury risks and could tank things quickly.

[fish16]

SP is the only one that I'd say they are off on. But I do think it is a semi-major gripe as this seems low. I bet Twins, Cardinals, Guardians, and Mariners fans also think this way right now.

But maybe they are betting on injuries again like you mentioned as frankly, the Marlins back 5 SP are all injury risks and could tank things quickly.

Left field was a little too low, catcher was way too high, ss was way too high, 1b was slightly too low.

[Nick]

SP is the only one that I'd say they are off on. But I do think it is a semi-major gripe as this seems low. I bet Twins, Cardinals, Guardians, and Mariners fans also think this way right now.

But maybe they are betting on injuries again like you mentioned as frankly, the Marlins back 5 SP are all injury risks and could tank things quickly.

but they aren't betting on injuries. They have Cabrera and Luzardo giving 250 IP between them. I think we all consider that reasonable. What isn't reasonable is their ERAs.

[lou]

but they aren't betting on injuries. They have Cabrera and Luzardo giving 250 IP between them. I think we all consider that reasonable. What isn't reasonable is their ERAs.

I think the Marlins expect more innings than that.

As said, I think this is the first big question mark for me and I hope we aren't homers. To be fair, Rogers velocity has been down last two starts, Garrett hasn't been good, and Cueto a little nicked up, so you can see this happening quickly even if Luzardo and Cabrera breakout, etc. We'll see what happens.

[lou]

Saying the marlins have an average rotation should disqualify anything coming out of those projections. They had a top 7 or 8 rotation era last year and Cabrera missed months as did luzardo

The Marlins had the 8th best SP ERA last year. If you moved them up or down .1 ERA, their range was 5th-14th. That's effectively 10 ER the whole season so we're talking a drop in the bucket everyone is the same grouping of teams here. So FG seems a little low in the upper teens, but they did also lose Pablo. They also did lose Hernandez though. I was expecting low teens and not high teens TBH.

Prove it on the field I say.