2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[lou]

Nunez should be spending September on the field for the Marlins and at the top of the order. At the very least, he would provide an injection of energy.

Can't think of any reason to waste playing time on Rojas (or Cooper or Soler or Garcia and so forth).

He doesn't need to be protected on the 40 man this winter so it is front office malpractice to do that

That being said, they can bench Rojas for Williams/LeBlanc for sure, Cooper for Lewin/LeBlanc, but Garica and Soler are coming back next year so let them figure it out or whatever

[lou]

He's got less than 100 PAs at AA, let's slow down.

Also, all 4 of those guys you mentioned will be on the team next year.

I think Rojas and Cooper are 50/50 at best... Rojas being a 50/50 choice with Wendle and Cooper being 50/50 over a nominal/cheaper 1B situation somewhere. Not end of the world to do:

Fortes, Stallings
Cooper
Jazz, Berti
_____, Wendle/Rojas
Anderson, Williams/LeBlanc/Groshans (all 3 have options)
Bleday (Sanchez/Burdick/Jerar AAA)
______
Garica
Soler

Or keep both Wendle/Rojas and get a major 1B upgrade instead and punt SS to next year.


This is a good offense if the blank lines are good and they get anything out of Stallings/Garcia/Soler. I'm talking cumulative 3 WAR level anything. They should be able to do that IMO. Stallings is hitting again, Soler was generally find and didn't go on his annual 6 week bender, and Garcia just has to be better

[Nick]

If we bring in a FA SS, then yes Rojas could go.

But lol if I believe that'll actually happen.

[Nick]

Which makes me want to cry.

Nunez calling cards are defense at SS, speed, and willingness to take balls and swing at strikes. All three of those qualities should play just fine in the majors.

Nunez does strike out too much. It's not a ridiculous amount for a power hitter, but for a slap hitter he should not K as much as he does. If he can cut down the strikeouts, I really believe he could be something special.

[lou]

Just for fun, quick calculation of Nunez's OPS this year accounting for Stolen Bases. So SLG (TB+SB-CS)/AB, and OBP (# of times on-base - CS)/PA is .817. (.362 OBP + .455 SLG)

This is extremely fun and I have always loved calculating OPS with NET SB/CS involved. I agree with you pumping fastballs are coming with no threat of slugging potential, but if he can somehow hit say .240/.300/.300, be a legitimate terror on the bases, and play exceptional defense...

Rey Ordonez hit .258/.319/.317 in 1999 (fuck I am old), with generational defense and not good base running. He got to 3 WAR that year. Not the same position obviously, but this is like Billy Hamilton circa 2014-2018 where he averaged a 2.4 WAR over 600 PA. Billy hit probably .240/.290/.330 those years eye balling it. Which is obviously outstanding if that happens for Nasim's club controlled years.

Interesting guy for sure. Thankfully, they have 4 more seasons to develop him and that's a lot of time to figure out how to slap hit/bunt. I'm expecting nothing, so if they get even a quality defensive IF backup that'll be great in my mind. Let's hope for the good Billy Hamilton and not the 2022 version.

[lou]

Nunez does strike out too much. It's not a ridiculous amount for a power hitter, but for a slap hitter he should not K as much as he does. If he can cut down the strikeouts, I really believe he could be something special.

We forgot this also. MiLB only has some splits, but.....

Nunez 2022 (BEL)
vs RHP .253/.407/.336 (.743 OPS), 217 AB, 55 BB, 74 K
vs LHP .229/.347/.289 (.636 OPS), 83 AB, 16 BB, 29 K

2021 (JUP)
vs RHP .260/.388/.287 (.675 OPS), 150 AB, 30 BB, 37 K
vs LHP .179/.273/.179 (.452 OPS) 39 AB, 5 BB, 9 K


RHP numbers are extremely interesting on top of everything else.

[Nick]

Some interesting developments in AAA.

Jordan Groshans .910 OPS since joining the Organization in 92 PAs
Troy Johnston 1.110 OPS since getting called up to AAA 32 PAs

[fish16]

hopefully groshans figured something out coming over here but this team desperately needs a really good upgrade at SS long term. Rojas cant be a starter next year. He was a nice piece to have around during the rebuild like Mattingly, but for a team trying to win, both of them need to be gone. We have SS prospects, but I'm tired of relying on prospects to develop to fill long term holes. Sign or trade for a proven guy with some team control and if one develops, that's a very good problem to have.

[Lee Stone]

Groshans isn't seen as a SS. 3B is his best option defensively but he offers no power. I'd prefer to look at Nunez first. A guy like Berti could fill in vs lefty starters.

[lou]

Groshans isn't seen as a SS. 3B is his best option defensively but he offers no power. I'd prefer to look at Nunez first. A guy like Berti could fill in vs lefty starters.

Nunez cannot be called up due to 40 man constraints and option years. Maybe after super2 deadline next year *if* this insane walk/contact/speed/defense profile continues. But sure, let him get a shot when he's ready.

This is really important.

[lou]

hopefully groshans figured something out coming over here but this team desperately needs a really good upgrade at SS long term. Rojas cant be a starter next year. He was a nice piece to have around during the rebuild like Mattingly, but for a team trying to win, both of them need to be gone. We have SS prospects, but I'm tired of relying on prospects to develop to fill long term holes. Sign or trade for a proven guy with some team control and if one develops, that's a very good problem to have.

1000%. The infield should be:

Jazz, Berti
____, Wendle/Rojas (other traded for a RP)
Anderson, LeBlanc/Williams/Groshans (all have options and other two in AAA. All keeps for next year)
(Anderson and Berti are the 4th/5th OF to note which is how they keep 6 primary 2B/SS/3B).

This group is good but they need to cash in likely Salas for a play-now guy, or sign one. This would give Watson/Cappe/Lewis presumably 4 years to figure it out based on Jazz/new SS/Groshans service time and expectations.

And if Groshans is great next year, Anderson likely steals many PA at 1B and OF. Depth will work itself out.

[Nick]

Groshans has been playing SS, 2B, and 3B almost equally at Jacksonville. Just FYI.

[lou]

Groshans has been playing SS, 2B, and 3B almost equally at Jacksonville. Just FYI.

Yea but he's probably a 3B longterm. He's not moving Jazz and absent desperation, not going to be a fringe defender at SS. He's probably their longterm 3B starter, or longterm primary backup IF that mainly does 2B/3B and plays SS in a pinch. Hopefully it's the former and he's some sort of mid .700 OPS bat with solid defense at the corner. A very solid 2+ WAR guy (which Zips is already projecting for 2023 if he gets over 550 PA to note).

[Lee Stone]

Yep, Groshans could be a starting third baseman on a really bad team.

[Nick]

Half the games he's played have been at SS this year. I'm just saying, if the Blue Jays and Marlins thought there was no chance of him playing SS at the big league level that wouldn't be happening.