2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

wow the padres operate like a major league team. they might become my second favorite team soon enough.

[lou]

Reports are that SD is close to getting Soto. Last year they were about to get Scherzer before the Dodgers swooped in so you never know, but if he lands in SD maybe that makes LA more desperate to deal with us. They could one stop shop for Lopez, Cooper, and Bass.

That's the best possible news for the Marlins to both get Soto out of the division and make Dodgers desperate.


Also outside of the box take - and this is not to diminish the trade return. Why not take back David Price (expiring $32m contract). Muncy (expiring $13m contract +$1.5 option buyout), and Kahnle (expiring $3.75m)... which is basically taking on $17.5m this year and add Soler to that trade.

This helps Dodgers luxury tax calculation this year shedding a lot of money for them which is what is important to them, and the Marlins effectively saving (as Soler not opting out as this year)... $10m on Soler's contract longterm. Bruce has gotta spend it this year instead of over 3, but saving $10m is saving $10m. Also, I imagine you can but Muncy on waivers and get rid of the contract, or if he passes through trade him for a low end FV40 guy. Same probably with Price. Tell them both we will cut you if we can't waiver trade you 3rd week of August, etc. They can then find a bench contender role for sure.

The Marlins can then kick in a RP (or two) and Rojas/Berti/Wendle to replace Muncy.... and then add that to the top of Pablo for the prospects. Frankly, their luxury tax is crazy so this does save LAD some real money here even absorbing Soler for later.

Just an additional kicker idea for them that is mutually beneficial.

[lou]

i'm sorry but swanson is not a star. I wouldn't even count him as a top 5 SS, let alone a star league wide. He's a good, not great player, aided by an unbelievable lineup around him. any team with a terrible lineup like the marlins expecting a star for 23+ million a year is absolutely insane.

He's the 35th most productive position player 2018-today. I guess that isn't a player we want.

[fish16]

He's the 35th most productive position player 2018-today. I guess that isn't a player we want.

again, in the context of hitting around Acuna, Albies, Riley, Freeman, Contreras, Ozuna, and now olson,

[lou]

again, in the context of hitting around Acuna, Albies, Riley, Freeman, Contreras, Ozuna, and now olson,

And Correa had a world series team. So has Nimmo with what's around him right now. So the guys you want, same argument applies. Swanson is a tremendous defender (so is Nimmo). Those guys have perfect floors.


We can't just target top 50 hitting prospects and top 33 players in baseball. Those unicorns are impossible to get and when they are available, the Padres swoop in.

[rmc523]

Must be nice to follow a team that actually tries to compete/get to the playoffs.

[Nick]

Soto and Bell headed to Padres

Gore, Hassell, Abrams, Wood and Susana to Padres, apparently Eric Hosmer going to Nationals to, but he has to approve the trade. Seems like that could be a road block. What reason would he have to go to Washington if he didn't have to?

[rmc523]

Soto and Bell headed to Padres

Gore, Hassell, Abrams, Wood and Susana to Padres, apparently Eric Hosmer going to Nationals to, but he has to approve the trade. Seems like that could be a road block. What reason would he have to go to Washington if he didn't have to?

I've read there's talk of trying to rework the contract to incentivize him to approve it.

[fish16]

And Correa had a world series team. So has Nimmo with what's around him right now. So the guys you want, same argument applies. Swanson is a tremendous defender (so is Nimmo). Those guys have perfect floors.


We can't just target top 50 hitting prospects and top 33 players in baseball. Those unicorns are impossible to get and when they are available, the Padres swoop in.

NImmo has not had an all star team around him every year and he has put up a .777 OPS or higher every year since 2017. He's had individual seasons of WRC+ at 118, 148, 115, 149, 137, and 126. His issue is injuries.

Correa is inconsistent year to year but he has superstar potential. He has had a WRC+ of over 100 7 out of 8 years in the big leagues with superstar level highs of 136, 152, 142, and 134, all in different seasons, plus another 2 seasons of 123 and 124.

Dansby Swanson has had a WRC+ of over 98 just twice in 7 years, meaning he's been an above a average hitter 2 times in 7 years, despite hitting around one of the best and deepest lineups in baseball. His career high WRC+ would be correa's 5th best season of his career and Nimmo's 4th best hitting-wise. He is not a cornerstone talent, he is an above average SS.

[rmc523]

NImmo has not had an all star team around him every year and he has put up a .777 OPS or higher every year since 2017. He's had individual seasons of WRC+ at 118, 148, 115, 149, 137, and 126. His issue is injuries.

Correa is inconsistent year to year but he has superstar potential. He has had a WRC+ of over 100 7 out of 8 years in the big leagues with superstar level highs of 136, 152, 142, and 134, all in different seasons, plus another 2 seasons of 123 and 124.

Dansby Swanson has had a WRC+ of over 98 just twice in 7 years, meaning he's been an above a average hitter 2 times in 7 years, despite hitting around one of the best and deepest lineups in baseball. His career high WRC+ would be correa's 5th best season of his career and Nimmo's 4th best hitting-wise. He is not a cornerstone talent, he is an above average SS.

better than what we've had.

It's clear they're not going to sign anyone noteworthy, though, and instead vastly overpay for guys like Garcia when they do decide to spend some couch change.

[lou]

NImmo has not had an all star team around him every year and he has put up a .777 OPS or higher every year since 2017. He's had individual seasons of WRC+ at 118, 148, 115, 149, 137, and 126. His issue is injuries.

Correa is inconsistent year to year but he has superstar potential. He has had a WRC+ of over 100 7 out of 8 years in the big leagues with superstar level highs of 136, 152, 142, and 134, all in different seasons, plus another 2 seasons of 123 and 124.

Dansby Swanson has had a WRC+ of over 98 just twice in 7 years, meaning he's been an above a average hitter 2 times in 7 years, despite hitting around one of the best and deepest lineups in baseball. His career high WRC+ would be correa's 5th best season of his career and Nimmo's 4th best hitting-wise. He is not a cornerstone talent, he is an above average SS.

What is your point here. That they are all awesome? Since start of 2018, Correa is 26th most valuable, Nimmo 34th, and Swanson 35th position players. These guys are studs.

Other guys low 20s to high 30s in their range - Acuna, Devers, S. Marte, Rendon, LeMahieu, Turner, Muncy, Olson, Albies, Ketel, Merrifield. Do you not appreciate them also?

All of these guys are awesome. Nimmo has produced this while being "injured." So has Correa. Injuries are negated by a 5 season sample size. Swanson is blooming late. He's over his head with the BABIP right now, but he's a 3.5+ WAR guy.

I'd say all 3 of these guys are the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Marlins today. They are likely pretty safe 4+ WAR guys moving forward, but the last few years of their deals may drop but that's expected. I like to think they will all age gracefully with hit tools and/or defensive prowess.

[fish16]

What is your point here. That they are all awesome? Since start of 2018, Correa is 26th most valuable, Nimmo 34th, and Swanson 35th position players. These guys are studs.

Other guys low 20s to high 30s in their range - Acuna, Devers, S. Marte, Rendon, LeMahieu, Turner, Muncy, Olson, Albies, Ketel, Merrifield. Do you not appreciate them also?

All of these guys are awesome. Nimmo has produced this while being "injured." So has Correa. Injuries are negated by a 5 season sample size. Swanson is blooming late. He's over his head with the BABIP right now, but he's a 3.5+ WAR guy.

I'd say all 3 of these guys are the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Marlins today. They are likely pretty safe 4+ WAR guys moving forward, but the last few years of their deals may drop but that's expected. I like to think they will all age gracefully with hit tools and/or defensive prowess.

The point is if the marlins of all teams is going to spend 20 million on a hitter in free agency, it needs to be a star level hitter that can carry a lineup, not a guy who has been an above average hitter twice in 7 years despite being in an unbelievable lineup whose value has mostly been defensively. You stick him in our lineup as a 20 million dollar player and you have a terrible, expensive lineup. He becomes a .750-..800 ops hitter at best here and you’re paying him 20 million.

If they spend that money in free agency, which they won’t, it needs to be a guy who has proven star level hitting production either lead off or in the heart of the order like Correa or nimmo

[lou]

The point is if the marlins of all teams is going to spend 20 million on a hitter in free agency, it needs to be a star level hitter that can carry a lineup, not a guy who has been an above average hitter twice in 7 years despite being in an unbelievable lineup whose value has mostly been defensively. You stick him in our lineup as a 20 million dollar player and you have a terrible, expensive lineup. He becomes a .750-..800 ops hitter at best here and you’re paying him 20 million.

If they spend that money in free agency, which they won’t, it needs to be a guy who has proven star level hitting production either lead off or in the heart of the order like Correa or nimmo

Why do any of us care about OPS versus wins?

Do you think there is a difference between a 4.5WAR player who hits .775 OPS/great defender or .875 OPS/poor defender? Both are 4.5 WAR in this. Is one better? Everyone is 28 and all things equal with the contract.

[sports24/7]

That's the best possible news for the Marlins to both get Soto out of the division and make Dodgers desperate.


Also outside of the box take - and this is not to diminish the trade return. Why not take back David Price (expiring $32m contract). Muncy (expiring $13m contract +$1.5 option buyout), and Kahnle (expiring $3.75m)... which is basically taking on $17.5m this year and add Soler to that trade.

This helps Dodgers luxury tax calculation this year shedding a lot of money for them which is what is important to them, and the Marlins effectively saving (as Soler not opting out as this year)... $10m on Soler's contract longterm. Bruce has gotta spend it this year instead of over 3, but saving $10m is saving $10m. Also, I imagine you can but Muncy on waivers and get rid of the contract, or if he passes through trade him for a low end FV40 guy. Same probably with Price. Tell them both we will cut you if we can't waiver trade you 3rd week of August, etc. They can then find a bench contender role for sure.

The Marlins can then kick in a RP (or two) and Rojas/Berti/Wendle to replace Muncy.... and then add that to the top of Pablo for the prospects. Frankly, their luxury tax is crazy so this does save LAD some real money here even absorbing Soler for later.

Just an additional kicker idea for them that is mutually beneficial.

What about Bellinger? I doubt Miami would go for it, but he can play CF, and is a worthwhile reclamation project.

[sports24/7]

The Padres gave up a haul, but getting Bell in the deal as well was pretty shrewd by Preller.