2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[lou]

Based off of what Mish said last night, I think it’s much more likely that move is made for a corner OF, and Garcia will be in CF. It sounded like they’ve run out of realistic options at CF, and there are more opportunities to get a really good corner OF. I don’t think they’d be content with just getting an unproven player like Marsh. I think they want someone who they feel good about being an impact bat immediately because they know they need that.

It's why you do both - go ahead and sign Schwarber, trade Cooper so Kyle can DH, and then trade Pablo and get B. Marsh.

This works:

Stallings, Jackson/Fortes ($3.5m)
Aguilar, Lewin ($8m)
Jazz ($750k)
Rojas, Wendle ($9m)
Anderson ($4.5m)
Sanchez, DLC ($1.5m)
Marsh ($750k) <--- Marsh, Garcia, DLC platoon
Garcia ($13.25) <---- Anderson plays here semi-often when Garcia in CF as Wendle can handle 3B
DH - Schwarber $12(More?)
=$54ish

Sandy, Rogers, Sixto, Luzardo, Cabrera ($9m)
Floro, Bender, Bass, Elisier, Pop, Head ($8.5m)
Bleier, Okert ($3m)
=21ish

Total - $75ish - and get an innings eater

[Nick]

I mean, yea.

But I don't see any scenario they'd trade Grisham, but for those 3, the Marlins would have to include Pablo, eat $30-40m of Hosmer, probably send over Floro or Bender, Bleday/Burdick, and maybe someone like Cooper/Lewin as they could use a 1B platoon option for cheap.

Grisham, Campusano, and absorbing $30-40m of dead money spread out over 4 years
Pablo, Floro/Bender, Bleday/Burdick, Cooper/Lewin

It would be something wild like that, and further contingent on SD being satisfied with replacing Grisham with another OF with that money they've just saved

Yeah for that to work I think you'd have to have San Diego at the ready to sign Chris Taylor or something and need the cash from Hosmer to get it done. Possible, but unlikely.

[lou]

Yeah for that to work I think you'd have to have San Diego at the ready to sign Chris Taylor or something and need the cash from Hosmer to get it done. Possible, but unlikely.

He would definitely make a lot of sense for them in that scenario, and it would boil down to the Marlins basically treating 4 years of Grisham and 6 years of Campusano as a collective.... say $70-80 million with the Hosmer dead money? Plus losing Pablo/everyone else?

It becomes a very risky transaction as you'd need both of those guys to be minimum 2+ WAR players moving forward through arbitration for it to make sense. However, I would take that bet. Grisham is already producing at that level, and if you're going to swing and miss on a top prospect, shoot for the moon with a catcher. Why not. It's not like the Marlins have won a world series in 20 years and 3 other teams in their division have.

[fish16]

Based off of what Mish said last night, I think it’s much more likely that move is made for a corner OF, and Garcia will be in CF. It sounded like they’ve run out of realistic options at CF, and there are more opportunities to get a really good corner OF. I don’t think they’d be content with just getting an unproven player like Marsh. I think they want someone who they feel good about being an impact bat immediately because they know they need that.

I could see Jo Adell being the guy.

[fish16]

I mean, yea.

But I don't see any scenario they'd trade Grisham, but for those 3, the Marlins would have to include Pablo, eat $30-40m of Hosmer, probably send over Floro or Bender, Bleday/Burdick, and maybe someone like Cooper/Lewin as they could use a 1B platoon option for cheap.

Grisham, Campusano, and absorbing $30-40m of dead money spread out over 4 years
Pablo, Floro/Bender, Bleday/Burdick, Cooper/Lewin

It would be something wild like that, and further contingent on SD being satisfied with replacing Grisham with another OF with that money they've just saved

Id do Grisham, Campusano, and eating half of hosmer's money in a heartbeat for Pablo, Floro, Burdick, and Cooper. That doesn't seem like nearly enough but Grisham would be a great addition. His stats don't look as good as he was for most of last year because their entire team took a tailspin at the end of the year but he would be a really really solid guy to add.

[sports24/7]

It's why you do both - go ahead and sign Schwarber, trade Cooper so Kyle can DH, and then trade Pablo and get B. Marsh.

This works:

Stallings, Jackson/Fortes ($3.5m)
Aguilar, Lewin ($8m)
Jazz ($750k)
Rojas, Wendle ($9m)
Anderson ($4.5m)
Sanchez, DLC ($1.5m)
Marsh ($750k) <--- Marsh, Garcia, DLC platoon
Garcia ($13.25) <---- Anderson plays here semi-often when Garcia in CF as Wendle can handle 3B
DH - Schwarber $12(More?)
=$54ish

Sandy, Rogers, Sixto, Luzardo, Cabrera ($9m)
Floro, Bender, Bass, Elisier, Pop, Head ($8.5m)
Bleier, Okert ($3m)
=21ish

Total - $75ish - and get an innings eater

That would be a good plan, but it doesn't sound like it's in the cards based on what Mish was saying. I don't think Cooper is going anywhere, and while they still could add multiple bats, I don't think a guy like Schwarber is coming in addition to a CF. It sounds like they're looking at impact bats that play a corner OF spot, and I'm curious who those names would be.

[sports24/7]

I could see Jo Adell being the guy.

Maybe, but it feels like they want someone more proven, although I could be wrong.

[Lee Stone]

Most fans seemed to hold Bleday in higher regard than the departed Misner. Given that Misner hit better than Bleday during the last season, runs much better, and defends the OF better, I\m wondering what the basis of that thinking may be.

On Wendle: a platoon with Rojas seems ideal Their numbers vs RHP last season suggest as much

Rojas: .244 BA .288 OBP and .642 OPS
Wendle .287 BA 332 OBP and .790 OPS

[lou]

Id do Grisham, Campusano, and eating half of hosmer's money in a heartbeat for Pablo, Floro, Burdick, and Cooper. That doesn't seem like nearly enough but Grisham would be a great addition. His stats don't look as good as he was for most of last year because their entire team took a tailspin at the end of the year but he would be a really really solid guy to add.

Eating $30-40 million dollars buys you 60% of Campusano, and Pablo is worth the other 40% of him and and around half of Grisham. Maybe Floro/Burdick/Cooper is light.... but Bender/Bleday/Lewin would not be, and you still probably do that trade. Marlins have plenty of other throw ins to make this worth. SD would just have to have a FA OF lined up and Marlins open to eating $30-40m.

[sports24/7]

Bruce Sherman apparently said they aren't done yet at the press conference today. I think we all assumed that, but it's nice to hear. Hard to walk that back.

[lou]

Most fans seemed to hold Bleday in higher regard than the departed Misner. Given that Misner hit better than Bleday during the last season, runs much better, and defends the OF better, I\m wondering what the basis of that thinking may be.

On Wendle: a platoon with Rojas seems ideal Their numbers vs RHP last season suggest as much

Rojas: .244 BA .288 OBP and .642 OPS
Wendle .287 BA 332 OBP and .790 OPS

Bleday hit .316/.435/.600, with a 20/23 BB/K in the AFL (around 20 more PA)
Misner hit .205/.373/.513, with a 20/34 BB/K

Small sample size, but its a harbinger of a real break out instead of lucking into a few bombs which Misner did to save his slugging. Those strikeouts REALLY matter for Misner - it's 43%(!) versus 24% for Bleday. Pedigree in draft pick/scouting also. Bleday is likely to hit much more, and not be a slouch defensively even if Misner likely would grade better. I don't think this is close. Burdick is also well ahead of Misner.

Wendle is going to get 450-500 PA all over. The platoon is - everyone. Everyone gets an off day every 6-7 days with him. Which is great to keep everyone fresh.

[lou]

Maybe, but it feels like they want someone more proven, although I could be wrong.

It's both!

They have money for a free agent, and to trade the pitcher for a longterm guy. They should do both.

[geemoney]

Joel Sherman apparently said they aren't done yet at the press conference today. I think we all assumed that, but it's nice to hear. Hard to walk that back.

*Bruce Sherman

Just for clarification's sake

[sports24/7]

*Bruce Sherman

Just for clarification's sake

Thanks. I fixed it. It would be weird for Joel Sherman to be speaking at the Marlins press conference, lol.

[sports24/7]

It's both!

They have money for a free agent, and to trade the pitcher for a longterm guy. They should do both.

Again, though, should vs will are two different things. I think they should, but I don't think they will. I hope I'm wrong, though.