2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[tjfla]

So why don't they just call it a protection list? It really has nothing to do with AAA.

Cause they really dont release it to public. Its like Rule 5 Draft-if people didnt look up who was eligible no one except MLB teams would know

MLB teams know but casual fan would be like ok whatever

Nope soon as draft is over most of them will be reassigned to lower levels and MilB FA will be signed to AAA

[Lee Stone]

Fangraphs predicts that Urena and Aguilar will be non-tendered by Marlins. Stanek and Bleier are considered as possibilities. Urena and Aguilar would save the team about $9M (less cost of minimum wage replacements). I'm definitely on board with kicking Stanek loose.

[tjfla]

Fangraphs predicts that Urena and Aguilar will be non-tendered by Marlins. Stanek and Bleier are considered as possibilities. Urena and Aguilar would save the team about $9M (less cost of minimum wage replacements). I'm definitely on board with kicking Stanek loose.

No chance Bleier isnt tendered. Stanek and Aguilar likely are depending on price and what FA are asking.

If Aguilar is getting 5 million and u can get Eddie Rosario for less they probably do it. Stanek is actually liked around the league even tho he has looked like ass with Miami

No chance Urena is tendered unless 5th Starter are going for 10 million a year in FA.If they are we might tender him just to see if any value

Marlins ARE looking hard at non tendered guys from other teams as well. If guys they like come up and can agree to deals that would hurt Stanek/Aguilar

[fish16]

the braves have been phenomenal each of the last 3 offseasons getting really good veterans on 1 year deals. its what we should be doing with our current salary structure. First donaldson, then ozuna, now morton. Plus they have made good moves for several relievers. That's how you build around a phenomenal young core. We need to be taking notes for how to build around our young guys.

[Lee Stone]

the braves have been phenomenal each of the last 3 offseasons getting really good veterans on 1 year deals. its what we should be doing with our current salary structure. First donaldson, then ozuna, now morton. Plus they have made good moves for several relievers. That's how you build around a phenomenal young core. We need to be taking notes for how to build around our young guys.

I'm not so sure that the Braves come up roses. Keuchel and Hamels were the last two free agent starters they spent on and they were not impactful. Morton struggled last season and has lost velocity ... he's cashing in on his younger days. Smyly? Hard to say what they are getting there. I'm inclined to go with the starters on hand.

In a way I see the Braves venture into free agency as a blatant fail for their farm system. Their top fifteen list was littered with pitchers just a couple years ago. Only two or three have emerged as bonafide major leaguers. All the best Marlin pitching prospects of a couple years ago remain on track: Gallen, Alcantara, Lopez, Hernandez, Sanchez, Rogers, Cabrera, Garrett, and even Neidert. Hopefully Meyer, Fulton, Nicholas and others from the 2020 draft will pan out as well.

Unfortunately, the Marlins are not showing similar (or any) results with the young hitters.

[fish16]

I'm not so sure that the Braves come up roses. Keuchel and Hamels were the last two free agent starters they spent on and they were not impactful. Morton struggled last season and has lost velocity ... he's cashing in on his younger days. Smyly? Hard to say what they are getting there. I'm inclined to go with the starters on hand.

In a way I see the Braves venture into free agency as a blatant fail for their farm system. Their top fifteen list was littered with pitchers just a couple of years ago. Only two or three have emerged as bonafide major leaguers.

Keuchel was decent with them. His issue was signing mid-way through the season. Hamels was a bust but that happens. the whole point is that they sign these guys to 1-year deals so there is no long-term risk and they, like us, definitely have the money available in the short term because they signed albies and Acuna to absolute steal contracts. The whole point is to take low-risk high reward fliers when your salary construction allows you to do so.

You bring up Morton and his velocity might have been down but on a 1 year deal for a guy they are likely counting on to be their 4th starter he is great. Ozuna was one of the best players in the league for them last year, Donaldson the same thing the year before. Plus they have signed Will smith who was good for them last year, mark Melancon was a trade acquisition for cheap but he had just 1 year on his contract and was really good. Shane Greene was another guy who they traded for knowing he had just 1 year left and was great for them. Darren O Day was great for them as well. They are running their team smarter than 95% of the teams in the league and in a market that isn't exactly a huge baseball market. They should be the team we are emulating from a team-building perspective.

[Lee Stone]

Braves receive $86M annually from local tv revenue. Marlins closer to $20M. There's an extra $66M in fool around money for Atlanta, not to mention vastly greater gate, parking and concession revenue.

[Namaste]

This is the year the Marlins are supposed to spend money. We’ve been saying that for 3 years.

We’ll have to wait and see. They’ll get mauled by the Braves at the current pace.

[Lee Stone]

This is the year the Marlins are supposed to spend money. We’ve been saying that for 3 years.

We’ll have to wait and see. They’ll get mauled by the Braves at the current pace.

I thought the Marlins spent a ton of crazy money last season. Dickerson's contract turned out to be a regrettable investment (or has been thus far). Marte's contract looked okay at the moment, but who can feel good about it now? Villar was a waste of money (luckily only a short season). I'm not convinced free agency is the way to go ... except for hoarding relief pitching.

[rmc523]

I thought the Marlins spent a ton of crazy money last season. Dickerson's contract turned out to be a regrettable investment (or has been thus far). Marte's contract looked okay at the moment, but who can feel good about it now? Villar was a waste of money (luckily only a short season). I'm not convinced free agency is the way to go ... except for hoarding relief pitching.

Why are you so against Marte?

[sports24/7]

I thought the Marlins spent a ton of crazy money last season. Dickerson's contract turned out to be a regrettable investment (or has been thus far). Marte's contract looked okay at the moment, but who can feel good about it now? Villar was a waste of money (luckily only a short season). I'm not convinced free agency is the way to go ... except for hoarding relief pitching.

Didn't you spend much of the offseason last year saying they should sign Dickerson?

[Lee Stone]

Why are you so against Marte?

During his time with the Marlins, Marte put up an OPS of .700. In giving him close to $13M this coming season, you have to be making a presumption that his form in Arizona (.845 OPS) during the first half is relevant and his time as a Marlin was not. From a performance perspective, I would have preferred to play Berti in CF (.738) and spend the savings on the bullpen.

Dickerson looked fine on paper coming into last season (.845 career OPS), but like Marte, he only put up about .700 OPS value for Miami. I can't feel good about paying him $8.5M this year.

With such promising starting pitching, I think it essential to find a bullpen that will support it.

[Nick]

And as we all know a player's performance over their last 28 games is just what they'll be over the rest of their career it's a proven fact. No need to look at larger sample size or what they've done over the course of their career.

[Lee Stone]

And as we all know a player's performance over their last 28 games is just what they'll be over the rest of their career it's a proven fact. No need to look at larger sample size or what they've done over the course of their career.

I made specific allowance for your (and the team's) POV: In giving him close to $13M this coming season, you have to be making a presumption that his form in Arizona (.845 OPS) during the first half is relevant and his time as a Marlin was not.

[Nick]

I made specific allowance for your (and the team's) POV: In giving him close to $13M this coming season, you have to be making a presumption that his form in Arizona (.845 OPS) during the first half is relevant and his time as a Marlin was not.

How about his career .791 OPS? Baseball is a game of ups and downs. Even in a 60-game season Marte ended up mostly in line with his career stats.