2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[fauowls44]

This is silly. Starling Marte is the most (or 2nd most) impactful hitter in the Marlins lineup. Despite mildly struggling in the 112 at bats he had with the Marlins, he still made the offense significantly deeper and better. Not having him in that Braves series was a killer.

[Namaste]

Ureńa DFA’d.

I like it, Kim!

[fish16]

good riddance. if he couldnt become a bullpen guy, which in his limited appearances out of the pen it seemed like he couldnt handle, he wasnt a rotation piece. interesting thing is that they DFA him instead of non tendering him tomorrow, leaving open the possibility of getting at least something minor for him

[fauowls44]

@CraigMish
Marlins have acquired RP Adam Cimber from the Indians for cash considerations.
[URL="https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status/1333524687872270340"]4:33 PM

[emkayseven]

Urena DFA makes me way more excited than any move they could have made this offseason.

[emkayseven]

Can someone explain to me why we WOULDN'T tender a contract to Aguilar?

[fauowls44]

Can someone explain to me why we WOULDN'T tender a contract to Aguilar?

The only reason I can think of is that if there is no DH in the NL, he really has no place to play every day. That or they think they can upgrade, but I personally would tender him a contract. I find it hard to believe that the NL won't have the DH this year. Perhaps they think they can find an upgrade on the open market.

[Lee Stone]

Urena DFA makes me way more excited than any move they could have made this offseason.

But of course I feel the opposite. A close examination of Alcantara vs Urena shows two very comparable arms. Same fastball speed and movement. Urena perhaps throws his change too hard (90 mph) vs 88 for Sandy. Same with the slider. With a few tweaks by a capable pitching coach, Urena could still become a very good pitcher IMO. I would have kept him.

[fish16]

Can someone explain to me why we WOULDN'T tender a contract to Aguilar?

they plan on having cooper as 1b with lewin as the immediate backup plan, mlb still hasnt told teams whether there is a DH, and they wont pay 5-6+ million for a bench bat that could go towards addressing the bullpen or another need. Also have a log jam of young OF's that they will want to get some playing time and forcing cooper out of 1b realistically puts him in a corner OF spot.

[Nick]

I really don't see any of our young OF options breaking camp with the team. So you're going to have Dickerson-Marte and ???. If the choice is Brinson, Sierra or Cooper. I'd have to go with Cooper then put Aguilar at 1st until Lewin is ready.

[Nick]

But of course I feel the opposite. A close examination of Alcantara vs Urena shows two very comparable arms. Same fastball speed and movement. Urena perhaps throws his change too hard (90 mph) vs 88 for Sandy. Same with the slider. With a few tweaks by a capable pitching coach, Urena could still become a very good pitcher IMO. I would have kept him.

This is a valid take if Urena is 24-25, but he's 29. And you're so worried about the Marlins spending habits, yet you want to spend $4-5 million on the off-chance that Urena turns it around, when we have a plethora of options at high minor league levels and the majors for starting pitching.

[Lee Stone]

This is a valid take if Urena is 24-25, but he's 29. And you're so worried about the Marlins spending habits, yet you want to spend $4-5 million on the off-chance that Urena turns it around, when we have a plethora of options at high minor league levels and the majors for starting pitching.

Nick, you sound like MLBTR staff in today's Marlins outlook. With a slew of young talent bubbling up to the Majors, newly minted general manager Kim Ng will be aiming to bring the club back to October baseball in 2021.

Sixto and hopefully E. Cabrera and Trevor Rogers hardly amount to "a slew" or a plethora, and they only relate to starting pitching. As to prospects at all the other positions, we have only wishful hopes and doubts. Among the top 100 types, we have Chisholm, Bleday, Meyer and the forementioned Cabera and Sixto. Much as I like Chisholm, his hitting is in question. Bleday has shown us only that he can produce like Jhonny Santos at Jupiter (Who the hell is Jhonny? My point exactly!) Jesus Sanchez has taken a serious dip in Fangraphs appraisal, dropping back in the pack with our corps of Burdick, Scott, Encarnacion, and Mizner. (Jesus can barely earn time in the Dominican Winter League.) Both Isan andLewin Diaz failed to show major league hit tools in their limited looks thus far.

While I'm hoping, I have to admit to lots of serious doubt.

[Nick]

Sixto and hopefully E. Cabrera and Trevor Rogers hardly amount to "a slew" or a plethora.

You're being willfully ignorant. I know you don't like Sandy for whatever reason, but he looked like an ace down the stretch last year. So that's 4 already. Elieser actually looked like a solid mid-to back of the rotation arm in 2020. Neidert is just waiting on his chance. Braxton Garrett is still a first round top 10 prospect in our organization. Max Meyer is not far off, no one would be surprised if he's up at some point 2021. That's 8, last time I checked you only need 5 for a rotation. Castano I still think isn't great, but he solidified his spot in the majors last year, and would probably be fine as a #5. That's 9. How many more do you want?

[Lee Stone]

Lopez, S Sanchez, Alcantara and Hernandez are the guys I'm relying on. I'm hopeful for Cabrera (with health concerns). I really liked Rogers's stuff, but realize there is some question about whether he harnasses everything. As I said, starting pitching is not the issue. Everything else is.

[Nick]

Lol, I forgot Pablo even. That's 10.