Stark: Marlins Could Be Big Players This Off-Season UPDATE: All Big Names In Play

[Madman81]

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[....J....]

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may i have ur address please, i'll gladly do that

[Beef]

I get it.

But also, there is a difference between saying the Marlins might go after a guy that is allowed to sign anywhere and making up silly trades. You probably shouldn't call one fantasy and then make up a silly trade, because that is silly.

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

If the Marlins do trade Nolasco it will be a straight salary dump and to free up a space for another pitcher they can sign to be in the rotation. No team will give more than a B- or C+ prospect for Nolasco and that contract.

[Ramp]

yup, he is pretty good. Yanks need the pitching, they've been linked to Ricky a few times over the last couple years. I'm not saying its a straight up swap....others would have to be involved

I would say Brett Gardner is close to untouchable outside of a Clayton Kershaw like pitcher in return.

There is 0 reason for the Yankees to move him, especially for someone like Nolasco.
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If the Marlins do trade Nolasco it will be a straight salary dump and to free up a space for another pitcher they can sign to be in the rotation. No team will give more than a B- or C+ prospect for Nolasco and that contract.

well no, that isn't true either

He isn't Chris Volstad

[Bobbob1313]

Yeah, I don't think there's a ton of value in Nolasco, but to say it would have to be a salary dump is just wrong. Teams always get desperate for pitching. They may not get huge value, but it won't be a dump either.

[Fish Tank Frenzy]

Chris Volstad wont or shouldnt be on a Major League staff next season. You're probably right in that Nolasco wont be a straight dump like I put it but I have a real hard time imagining that a team would give anything of substance for Ricky AND pay the rest of his $18 million. As you can tell I am very down on Ricky and I really do not want him on this team next season. When Ricky is on he is on but the problem is he is only on less than half the time he pitches. If I were the Marlins I would be looking to dump him off to another team and use the freed up cash to spend on other pitchers.

[Ramp]

Nolasco is actually owed another $20.5 mil.

Heh.... just realized how bad Ricky was this season

[Mainge]

I'm concerned about his regression this year. The K/9 really took a dive. If he continues this slide, he gon be Volstad without the stupid face.

[Ramp]

His face will get stupid

/deep analysis

[Bobbob1313]

I'm concerned about his regression this year. The K/9 really took a dive. If he continues this slide, he gon be Volstad without the stupid face.

He's an interesting case. his swinging strike % went down last year, but the contact rate on balls in the zone stayed the same while his number of pitches in the zone went down. Basically, he threw more pitches out of the zone, and more batters made contact with those pitches. His walk rate went down, despite throwing more stuff out of the zone.

So the question is, did his stuff just get more hittable, and that accounts for the fewer swings and misses, or was he intentionally throwing the ball out of the zone and getting batters to chase, thus the career high GB rate?

He's always going to be a guy who underperforms his FIP stats. The question is whether there's room to expect some growth.

[Mainge]

Well his K/9 has gone down over the last 3 years so there's that. What happened last year in comparison to 2009? There's also a website that tracks movement and break isn't there? I don't how accurate that is, but that's probably worth looking into.

Also, his contact inside the zone went up almost as exactly as much as outside the zone.

[lou]

I don't agree with thinking Nolasco's contract is unmoveable. He's 2/$20 right now. Maybe they would have to chip in a few bucks, but if Nolasco was a free agent he would get plenty of "Javy Vazquez" type 1 year deals, and probably get 2/$15ish somewhere. I think that is a very fair "market value," and not that far away from where he is at right now. And that's based on mid 4 era Nolasco. Someone would gamble for the upside, and take the 180 IP if not. He is still young and in his prime. You never know if one mechanic tweek fixes everything with pitchers. Basically, he's relatively moveable. Not perfect, but I think you would get something respectable back.

Also, and I hate cherry picking, but when there are enormous outliers, I tend to think you can throw them out as a bad start or two. Nolasco had a 3 IP/11 ER game in Colorado and a 1.1 IP/9 ER game in San Diego. If you take out those 4.1 innings and 20 (twenty!) earned runs, he had a 3.88 era this season over the other 201.2 innings. I think this is pretty notable. Two bad days, 4.1 innings, and the entire perspective on the season is different? It's hard for me to believe in his year end stats with such a drastic showing. Hell, his whip drops from 1.40 to 1.31 in those 4.1 innings. That is fucking insane for over 200 innings.

I understand, he was awful in the second half and maybe the fact that he was involved in two absolute shellings (and really two more because he had a third 8 ER/15 Hit game he was involved in and a fourth where he gave up 6 in 2 innings end of the year) can be used as an indication that his "stuff" is going away. But compared to the other 202 innings on the season, what an astronomical difference and that has to count for something.

I think they should keep him. James Shields gave up 246 hits in 203 innings, with 34 HR, a 1.46 whip, and 5.18 era in 2010. He wasn't very good in 2009 either. Shit happens.

[Fritz]

I can't wait to see mba foaming at the mouth from that post.

[Ramp]

hehehe my thoughts exactly once lou cherry-picked a little