Sell! Sell! Sell! Discussion

[Swifty]

I asked Carroll for some clarification, here was our exchange:

@injuryexpert Would you say it's more fair to say Marlins '11 $ > '10 $ - or Marlins cannot shed '10 $ at deadline?

His response:

@firstplacefish The latter, but like I said I'm not sure of any specifics.

This is really bizarre.

[MiamiHomer]

rotoworld

This could be potentially good news for us.

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Haha..haha... Bobby V on Baseball Tonight just said Tigers need to call the Marlins ASAP and trade for Cantu

We want Miggy back!

[tjfla]

What I heard is that its not they have to take back salary. It is they can not just trade players for prospects. MLBPA has been putting pressure on them about the payroll again and they came up with an agreement that if they make a trade they have to add salary someway or pay part of the salary of the guy they are dealing

Which means they can also do what Lou said and trade Ross and 3 million bucks for prospects. Which means he is still on our payroll but on a different team

MLBPA just dont want us dealing 6 million dollars in contracts for prospects that will make nothing, Sounds stupid as hell but guess that happens when your dont spend money.

[Party]

Good to hear this going forward. Glad MLB and the PA aren't going to let Samson and Co. sit on the money.

[lou]

They should totally pay Ross and cantus salary and get an A prospect instead of a B. They should be doing that even without MLB threats.

[emkayseven]

It's the time of the year where the Marlins get rid of future payroll considerations. The Marlins are only two games below .500 after their current three-game winning streak, but still trail three teams in the NL East and six teams in the wild card race. Many other organizations may see this as a chance to make a move, but not the Marlins.

Record: 45-47, nine games out of the NL East, three behind third-place Philadelphia and three-and-a-half behind the second-place Mets. Six games back in the wild card.
GM: Dave Dombrowski
Expectations: None. Really, how many people would notice if the Marlins moved from South Florida? If anything, the Marlins have more of an eye on 2012 when their new stadium opens than this year or next.
Payroll status: The Marlins had an opening-day payroll of more than $47 million, but just $18.75 million tied up in 2011.

What they have to offer

Dan Uggla (.277/.364/.467) is a free agent after the 2011 season, but the Marlins know they can get more for him now rather than next July. He's been mentioned as a match for the Rockies -- and he'd do great at Coors Field, but the Marlins may need to hang on to him…. he's no prize defensively, but he can flat rake.

It also makes financial sense for the Marlins to hold on to Uggla. The Marlins are the only team in the majors with a salary floor, because of an agreement the team reached without he players' union in January. Josh Johnson is slated to make $7.5 million in 2011 and with another chunk of money going to Uggla -- who is making $7.8 this season and is arbitration eligible -- the Marlins could satisfy their part of the agreement with the union without overpaying for a player on the free agent market.

That could be bad news for not only the Rockies, but also the Tigers, Red Sox, Yankees, Rangers, Braves and Phillies, who have been rumored to have interest in Uggla. Uggla will likely get dealt by the deadline -- next year's deadline.

So who may get dealt?

Jorge Cantu (.261/.311/.417) has cooled since his white-hot start to the season, but is still a proven RBI producer, Cantu has 53 RBI so far this season. He's played third and first base this year, but is a better fit for an American League team looking for help at the DH spot. A free agent after the season and owed the rest of his $6 million salary for this season, he could be a bargain for teams not looking to spend what it takes for a guy like Adam Dunn or Derrek Lee, like the Angels and White Sox. He'd also be a nice piece for the Yankees and could certainly provide some pop off the bench.

Wes Helms (.241/.296/.388) is an option for teams wanted some of what Cantu provides without the price tag. Helms is making less than $1 million this season and is a free agent after the season. He'd be a rental player, but it's cheap rent and won't upset a clubhouse or make anyone nervous about their future with the team. Like Cantu, he can play first, third or DH.

Cody Ross Cody Ross (.280/.332/.408) is one of the more attractive outfielders on the market. He's arbitration eligible at the end of the season and making just $4.45 million this season. He'll get a good raise for next season. With Chris Coghlan, Cameron Maybin, Logan Morrison and Mike Stanton, the Marlins could part with the 29-year old Ross. The Red Sox and Yankees both reportedly have had preliminary discussions with the Marlins about Ross. The Braves are also interested in his services.

Leo Nunez (3-2, 2.79 ERA, 22 saves) is attractive to any team looking for relief pitching, which is basically any team that considers itself still in the race. Relief pitching is scarce and expensive near the deadline, which makes Nunez more valuable. He's making just $2 million this year and is arbitration eligible after the season.

Ricky Nolasco (9-7, 4.66) is under team control for two more seasons, which makes him attractive to both he Marlins and suitors. He's making $3.8 million this season and is eligible for arbitration. He's been decent, but should receive a budget-busting raise in the offseason. Some reports have said he's available and others say the Marlins want to keep him.

Nate Robertson (6-7, 5.10) is a free agent after the season and owed the remaining portion of his $10 million salary, so he could be had, but may not be the most attractive piece the Marlins have to offer. If anything, he could be traded just so the Marlins don't have to play the rest of the left-hander's salary, and he won't cost much more than money for any team searching for a back-of-the-rotation starter (like the Cardinals or Mets).

What they want in return?

The Marlins feel pretty good about their future outfield, with Stanton, Maybin and Marrison and if Ross is moved, expect Coghlan to move to third base. Rookie first baseman Gabby Sanchez is playing well and the shortstop spot is more than ably handled, so the team will likely be looking for arms in return for anything they get, maybe a catching prospect -- really, not that much different than what every team wants.

Predictions: Uggla stays put and Helms is dealt to the Yankees. Cantu's name pops up a couple of places, but he's not moved. The asking price is too high for Ross and the team is stuck with him. Robertson clears waivers and is available up until the Aug. 31 deadline.

-- C. Trent Rosecrans

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nothing new or intelligent. I joker smiled at "Gabby"

[Valid]

While they would take back a bad contract, they'd get a better player back in return along with the bad contract because the other team wouldn't be taking on salary. Other teams also look favorably on acquiring players while not having to add any payroll. If the Marlins tell a team "hey, you're getting Cody Ross but your payroll is staying the same," Cody's more a more attractive trade piece than if the Marlins tell the other team "hey, you're getting Cody Ross, but you have to pay his entire salary." Same thing with Cantu.

It would be like: Ross for super duper prospect + guy with contract equal to or greater than Cody's. It wouldn't just be Cody for a guy with a shitty contract.

No I understand that part of it, but I just can't see our FO taking on a bad contract period.

[Jay]

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nothing new or intelligent. I joker smiled at "Gabby"

I thought Robertson was owed like nothing by the marlins. This writer needs to proof read his work.

[emkayseven]

Yeah they're paying him 400k all year

Amazing what some people get paid to write

[Ramp]

chances the guy responds to my comment?

[MiamiHomer]

chances the guy responds to my comment?

You see the comment below yours that says they had the wrong GM for the Marlins.

[Swifty]

Dave Dombrowski!

Welcome to 1998!

[Ramp]

haha amazing

we should destroy this dude

[emkayseven]

They've changed both things now lol

[Party]

Expectations: None. Really, how many people would notice if the Marlins moved from South Florida?

A very well paid staff of attorneys at County and City Hall.