Sell! Sell! Sell! Discussion

[Ramp]

IMO we should still be sellers, unless the marlins go something crazy like 7-2 or better, and make up 3 or 4 games in the division and/or jump the mets and possibly the phiilies in the wild card. We have 9 more games till the trade deadline, against 3 really good teams (3 ATL, 4 SFG, and 3 SDP)

we've won 5 of 7.... so 2 more and we're buyers!

[Fish and Chips]

I meant 7-2 or better in our next 9 games till the trade deadline. basically making us 54-50

[Ramp]

UGH, SO NEEDY!

[Fish and Chips]

Agreed, its very needy and unrealistic

what would you want the marlins to do, to become buyers?

[Big Z]

We are currently 5.5 GB of the wilcard, we have a little over 2 more months to take over, if you do the math it really isn't a big deal, we are still contenders. I think trading Cantu and bringing up Logan to play everyday would be ideal for the club, either this or trading Logan and some prospects for a solid starter (Haren, Oswalt, Lilly). As hard as it would be to let Logan go, a rotation of Johnson, (Haren, Lilly, or Oswalt), Nolasco, Sanchez and Volstad or Sanabia would be Ideal for us and would lead us in the right direction. However, these are the Marlins, and this is a huge pipedream.

[Ramp]

SWEEP THE LEG

errr Braves, sweep the Braves

[emkayseven]

We may be 5.5 back of the wild card but there are 6 teams in front of us. That's a lot. We have to go on an absolute tear concurrently with 6 teams starting to struggle.

[Ralph]

This is the big series. If they take 2 of 3 or sweep the Braves they will be in a good spot because Colorado is playing Philly and LA is playing the Mets so they'll be able to gain ground on a couple of teams if they take care of business.

[lou]

If you guys want to trade for a big pitcher like Haren or Oswalt, ignoring the financial issues, we don't need to move the bats at all. If I'm Arizona, who cares about Morrison or Dominguez. I have Upton, Drew, Reynolds, Johnson, Young, and other kids who can hit. I can't pitch for shit.

If you package Volstad, West, Hand/James, and Marinez/Ceda/Jennings, and maybe even a 5th guy like Cishek/Parcell/Andre/etc, you'll get Haren rather instantaneously. And probably a bench player thrown in from Arizona.

It's ballsy, but if you have Johnson, Nolasco, Haren/Oswalt, and Anibal all under control for 2 more seasons, and all of them but Nolasco for a third season, who cares about all your rotation candidates and "depth." Clear them all out for 1 rock solid veteran and let Arizona sort out the mess and hope to get half their rotation in 2 years. The Marlins will be able to get by with Sanabia, Koehler, Badenhop, Vanden Hurk, and dare I say that left hander we got in the Cabrera deal, as the # 5 for the next 1-2 years before Hand/James/Rasmussen/Kaminska is ready in A-Ball to replace someone. And we'd have tons of salary to sign a middle rotation guy. We'd have the 1-2-3, all we'd need is "Livan Hernandez inning eater" if the back rotation guys falter.

Clear out the top pitchers we are hoarding. Trade 4 or 5 of them and it gets done. They are all nearly MLB ready besides James/Hand which is a bonus.

It'll never happen, but just saying. Your hypotheticals on trying to preserve Morrison could easily be accomplished.

[Namaste]

The Marlins are currently 5 games back in the loss column in the race for the Wild Card. The heart says BUY BUY BUY but a closer look reveals that while buying could be the right thing to do it may not be the no-brainer move that some would suggest.


There are currently 6 teams ahead of the Marlins. This is the biggest obstacle and the biggest reason to not become buyers.

Here are the 6 teams:

SFO Team OPS .729 Team WHIP 1.32

CIN OPS .775 WHIP 1.37

COL OPS .761 WHIP 1.31

LAD OPS .737 WHIP 1.34

PHI OPS .733 WHIP 1.28 (wowzers)

NYM OPS .710 WHIP 1.43


Out of all of these teams FLA ranks second to last in team OPS (.716) just behind NYM

Their team WHIP is tied for 4th @ 1.34 (tied with LAD). These stats do not suggest that this team is just not getting the lucky breaks.


It would be nice if the team could wait another 10 games before deciding what to do. The next 10 games are crucial and a true test of just how good the team is.

3 games @ home vs the division leading Braves

4 games at SFO

3 games at the division leading Padres

If they could go 7-3 in the next 10 games it would make things really interesting because FLA's August schedule is pretty favorable.


I'd like to add that the Mets are not a team FLA needs to worry about in terms of winning the Wild Card. With a team OPS of .710 and a team WHIP of 1.43, bad things will happen to them. They are also a bad road team (as well as PHI and COL).

I say see what happens after the 3 games vs ATL before making any moves towards capturing a Wild Card that we have to jump 6 teams to obtain.

[FishFanInPA]

If we keep winning, who cares what the other 6 do, especially since we play a lot of them coming up.

[Namaste]

If you can't wrap your brain around the fact that jumping 6 teams is infintely more difficult than jumping 3 teams there is not much you and I can discuss here.

[Miamarlin21]

I agree with you Daft. I am optimistic but then again it's gonna be hard as hell to do. It's possible I'm just not holding my breath.

[Party]

Let's move this discussion to its open thread.

http://www.soflamarlins.com/showthre...6323#post96323

[lou]

The Marlins are currently 5 games back in the loss column in the race for the Wild Card. The heart says BUY BUY BUY but a closer look reveals that while buying could be the right thing to do it may not be the no-brainer move that some would suggest.


There are currently 6 teams ahead of the Marlins. This is the biggest obstacle and the biggest reason to not become buyers.

Here are the 6 teams:

SFO Team OPS .729 Team WHIP 1.32

CIN OPS .775 WHIP 1.37

COL OPS .761 WHIP 1.31

LAD OPS .737 WHIP 1.34

PHI OPS .733 WHIP 1.28 (wowzers)

NYM OPS .710 WHIP 1.43


Out of all of these teams FLA ranks second to last in team OPS (.716) just behind NYM

Their team WHIP is tied for 4th @ 1.34 (tied with LAD). These stats do not suggest that this team is just not getting the lucky breaks.


It would be nice if the team could wait another 10 games before deciding what to do. The next 10 games are crucial and a true test of just how good the team is.

3 games @ home vs the division leading Braves

4 games at SFO

3 games at the division leading Padres

If they could go 7-3 in the next 10 games it would make things really interesting because FLA's August schedule is pretty favorable.


I'd like to add that the Mets are not a team FLA needs to worry about in terms of winning the Wild Card. With a team OPS of .710 and a team WHIP of 1.43, bad things will happen to them. They are also a bad road team (as well as PHI and COL).

I say see what happens after the 3 games vs ATL before making any moves towards capturing a Wild Card that we have to jump 6 teams to obtain.

Eh, a more important analysis is what numbers do you expect going forward rather than what has already been accomplished.

Hanley can go on a tear. Nolasco could go on a tear. The bullpen is settled the last few weeks. Stanton/maybin won't hit a .650 OPS. Coghlan shouldn't hit a .400 OPS for two months, etc. There is a lot of reasons for drastic improvement. Whose overachieving on this team? Gaby? Johnson? That's really kind of it. And by overachieving, I mean Johnson should have a mid 2 era and not be stupid under 2.

It's all about the prospective analysis. This team could play a lot better and its very reasonable to think so. I find it doubtful they'd climb over so many teams, but this is not a pure sell sell sell moment, unless they tank 5 in a row or something. I'm cool if they go for it, I'm cool if they trade 5 guys. What I don't want, is to sit on our hands and do nothing.