2023 Marlins Minors

[Nick]

Eury 11 Ks in 5 innings tonight.

[lou]

Aren't all the other Southern League pitchers using the same ball? It sure hasn't helped Dax Fulton.

I got an alert on your boy. It's a fantasy article, but still. CBS is a national source so someone is liking what they are seeing. He turns into a deception 4th/5th SP, it would be a monumental organizational success. I still want to something on the slider. We can pray for the fangraphs "preseason" prospect list which might drop next 2 months.

Monteverde has quickly made a name for himself with a four-start stretch that's about as good as you'll ever see, not just in terms of preventing runs but also missing bats, his 13.2 K/9 rate backed up by a 16 percent swinging-strike rate. All four of his starts have gone at least six innings, and he allowed just one hit in the first two. What's interesting is he throws right around 90 mph, which makes for an unconventional prospect. The 25-year-old may be just the latest in a long line of tricky left-handers who thrive on pure deception. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/ba...andrew-abbott/

[Lee Stone]

Atlanta's starting pitcher, Elder, who dominated the Marlins (and most everybody this season), throws around 90 with his four-seamer.

[lou]

Atlanta's starting pitcher, Elder, who dominated the Marlins (and most everybody this season), throws around 90 with his four-seamer.

No one is saying those guys don't make it, but it's hard to see him continuing this when Elder has thrown "three" fastballs to right handed hitters this year. Elder is throwing 4 pitches also to keep guys off balance, so I just keep going back to Monteverde. If his change is his money pitch, he doesn't have a good fastball, what is the slider looking like? Is something else developing he can use to play off the changeup? If he develops even an average sinker or something else, we may see him vault up to that FV40+ level like Elder. Who is throwing a sinker primarily as that is what Elder figured out. Yes that is technically a fastball, but it's a different pitch at the end of the day and Elder throws it in an entirely different zone so he is able to use that to work off his slider. His slider is his out pitch. It's a borderline dominating pitch. He will be a good reliever if he doesn't make it as a starter. His changeup is OK and based on usage looks to be OK because he barely throws it just to show people a third look. The sinker is below average but playable, and fastball is borderline atrocious. And likely why he throws that the least. But this comes with a small sample size. If he improves a little bit on the sinker/fastball, he's an easy # 4 SP moving forward. Which I mean, is a fantastic result if the ceiling is a # 4 and the floor is a good 3rd RHP reliever. We'll take that in a heartbeat for Monteverde.

Given the dude is 25 in AA (Elder is 23 BTW), I am just saying there is a valid question of whether this is an older prospect control specialist beating up on AA hitters versus is this a true breakout. I want it to be so, I am just tempering expectations here that absent a second really good pitch, and frankly a decent third one, it may track closer to Smeltzer than Garrett for what our expectations should be.

[Lee Stone]

So find out! Send him up to AAA and see how the numbers translate. Can't think of a reason to leave him in AA (or continuing to use such crap starters at Jacksonville).

[Nick]

I agree with Lee. At least get him to AAA, and Eury too. Especially considering fucking Bryan Hoeing is in our rotation right now. Give these guys a shot at AAA to show that they may be ready if we need them.

[lou]

I agree with Lee. At least get him to AAA, and Eury too. Especially considering fucking Bryan Hoeing is in our rotation right now. Give these guys a shot at AAA to show that they may be ready if we need them.

I don't disagree with this. I'm just saying I'd like a scouting report Monteverde is breaking knees with his slider before getting pumped up.

Hoeing was also pretty OK his last start so maybe he is a fine replacement guy for 4+ innings before the third time lineup changeover. Seems like they should throw a lefty opener with him.

[Lee Stone]

Amidst all the hype of a Perez start in Miami, the fact is lost that Monteverde has been better than Eury against the same competition and with the same sticky ball ... better by every statistical measure.

Good luck to Eury and to Patick when the opportunity comes along, which is likely very soon.

[Nick]

Amidst all the hype of a Perez start in Miami, the fact is lost that Monteverde has been better than Eury against the same competition and with the same sticky ball ... better by every statistical measure.

Good luck to Eury and to Patick when the opportunity comes along, which is likely very soon.

If only someone had been posting about it every week.

[Lee Stone]

If only someone had been posting about it every week.

If only he wouldn't continue to pitch well every week.

[fish16]

If only he wouldn't continue to pitch well every week.

if only he threw harder than 90 mph and maybe he would be talked about as an actual prospect as opposed to the 20 year old throwing 100 and having similarly dominant results. Devin smeltzer would probably dominate AA. Doesnt make him an effective minor league pitcher.

In fact he did have better results. in 2019, in 5 starts in AA at an even younger age, he had 5 starts in AA, 33 k's, 3 walks, a .60 ERA and a .35 WHIP. Because, again, as you refuse to acknowledge time and time again, age relative to competition matters, as does how those stats are accumulated (velocity vs know how and deception). Not everything is repeatable at the major league level when the competition is the best in the world.

[Nick]

I still like Monteverde, he should be called up to AAA, no doubt in my mind.

Last two outings I have noticed he's lost command deep in the game after dominating the early innings. Something to watch for.

[Lee Stone]

So, the Southern League leader in ERA, WHIP, K's. BAA, and basically everything is not an "actual" prospect. Good to know.

And Jake Eder's AA stats when he returns from his own injuries will be meaningless because he's too old for the league?

[fish16]

So, the Southern League leader in ERA, WHIP, K's. BAA, and basically everything is not an "actual" prospect. Good to know.

And Jake Eder's AA stats when he returns from his own injuries will be meaningless because he's too old for the league?

Not meaningless, they just aren’t protectable because he doesn’t throw hard and guys who rely on craft and deception generally get hit to shreds at the major league level because they are no longer playing against guys who are majority non prospects.

eder throws (or threw) high 90s when he last pitched, so again, what you’re not getting, and it is the reason he is an actual prospect as opposed to monteverde who is just a fringe prospect, is that velocity dominates the major league level. Look at the average velocities of the best pitchers in baseball. It’s not impossible for him to be successful throwing 90, but it’s highly unlikely

[fish16]

Monteverde also has a .208 babip. His xfip is 3.31. He has of course been impressive, but not in a meaningful way that is projectable to the major league level because of his lack of velocity