2023 Marlins Minors

[lou]

I've highlighted the who cares players for you.

Cueto will most likely be gone.

Fitterer sucks. Nobody is taking McCambley in a Rule 5 draft barring a huge turnaround year.

It won't be a problem.

I think you're underselling this a little. Based on your math, there are 12 forty man locks next year, 7 more guys that are protectable, and 12+ guys that are droppable/unprotectable/who cares. Finances certainly dictate many of those "next 7" are gone, leaving call it the last 4-5 spots on the 40 man for pitchers are competitive out of a group of at least 12-15+ guys. This is a big batch of guys ultimately, and yes many of them just might be 5th/6th arms out of the pen upside. I think as a "poor" franchise they maximize resources and don't call up the guys they don't have too. I'm just saying, I think guys like M.D. Johnson have a much better chance at innings this year than Monteverde and I mention him specifically as he hasn't been named yet. That's how many interesting arms they have as we can go even deeper here and I can't see them blowing 40 man space unless there is a really special reason of a meteoric rise. Monteverde isn't throwing 99 so I don't think he has that profile at all, etc.

[lou]

Like, Jeff Brigham and Elisier Hernandez are on the Mets 40 man roster and the Marlins kicked them to the curb. Do those guys matter? No, but one of the best teams in baseball thinks they are pretty interesting. The Marlins kept Villalobos (already DFA'd) and a converted power hitter (Reynolds) over them practically. It's not like Mangum (wasn't selected RuleV) turned heads even if Mets fans love him. There is some real depth here even if this is missing a future "bullpen ace" at the moment.

I don't think this is worth debating, I'm with fish16 here. We can agree to disagree. I can't see guys that far down the depth chart getting a shot. They'd have to have 10-15 injuries to their MLB staff and then it's still unlikely as they'd just let the OOO/40 man guys throw to see if they get lucky and preserve the longterm view by not escalating guys onto the 40 man in a down year, etc.


Nasim though, he's fair game this summer. I hope Lee get his moment and he works out for all of our benefits.

[Nick]

I think you're underselling this a little. Based on your math, there are 12 forty man locks next year, 7 more guys that are protectable, and 12+ guys that are droppable/unprotectable/who cares. Finances certainly dictate many of those "next 7" are gone, leaving call it the last 4-5 spots on the 40 man for pitchers are competitive out of a group of at least 12-15+ guys. This is a big batch of guys ultimately, and yes many of them just might be 5th/6th arms out of the pen upside. I think as a "poor" franchise they maximize resources and don't call up the guys they don't have too. I'm just saying, I think guys like M.D. Johnson have a much better chance at innings this year than Monteverde and I mention him specifically as he hasn't been named yet. That's how many interesting arms they have as we can go even deeper here and I can't see them blowing 40 man space unless there is a really special reason of a meteoric rise. Monteverde isn't throwing 99 so I don't think he has that profile at all, etc.

I think if we both listed the line of starters right now to get called up, we'd probably have Monteverde about the same. All I'm trying to say is I don't think it's such a far-fetched scenario that Monteverde is clearly outpitching the M.D. Johnson's and Bryan Hoeing's of the world at the high minor league level, the guys at the 10-11-12 spots on that list, and that coincides with a late season scenario where we need to get that deep into the starting pitching depth chart.

I also don't think the fear of losing a Sean Reynolds or Bryan Hoeing is going to stop us from making that type of move, if we're still playing for something of course.

[Nick]

its not that a starter not on the 40 man is unlikely to get a shot, it's that he is unlikely to get a shot not being on the 40 man given his status as a prospect. eury would be ahead of him. If eder comes back soon he will get an opportunity later in the year. MD Johnson was better than him in beloit last year and is at AA now too, so he's in the same category as Monteverde. Mccambley if he comes back and pitches well would likely be ahead of him given his draft status and even though it was a bad year last year, he has more experience in AA.

Here is the depth chart it would take for him to get a start: Sandy, Luzardo, Cabrera, Rogers, Cueto, Garrett, Eury, Castano, Hoeing, Sixto if he ever gets healthy, eder when he gets healthy, Fulton would probably go before him even though they wont want to add him to the 40 man, Smeltzer, Lindgren, MD Johnson, McCambley, and then as stupid as it would be i think they would bring chi chi gonzalez up for a start and then DFA him afterwards before they brought up Monteverde.

Sixto, Eder are hurt what can we honestly expect from them this year? (McCambley injured as well and was bad last year) Fulton and Eury, are they going to want to bring them up in an August/September situation if they're reaching their innings limits? I've mentioned almost everyone else except for MD Johnson, who is basically in the exact same position as Monteverde, we could just replace his name with everything we've said in this thread about Monteverde and it'd be relevant. Again, just saying, it's possible, we've seen guys come farther out of nowhere before in the past.

[lou]

I think if we both listed the line of starters right now to get called up, we'd probably have Monteverde about the same. All I'm trying to say is I don't think it's such a far-fetched scenario that Monteverde is clearly outpitching the M.D. Johnson's and Bryan Hoeing's of the world at the high minor league level, the guys at the 10-11-12 spots on that list, and that coincides with a late season scenario where we need to get that deep into the starting pitching depth chart.

I also don't think the fear of losing a Sean Reynolds or Bryan Hoeing is going to stop us from making that type of move, if we're still playing for something of course.

Maybe I am wrong here, but I think they are going to aggressively hold as many bodies as they can. We'll see.

Big picture though, posts about Monteverde and Hoeing 2 weeks into the season is a bad omen

[Lee Stone]

Maybe I am wrong here, but I think they are going to aggressively hold as many bodies as they can. We'll see.

Big picture though, posts about Monteverde and Hoeing 2 weeks into the season is a bad omen

A bad omen? Having such a brilliant start as Monteverde did (the best in MiLB thus far) is nothing but a great sign from a system that has featured few good performances. No one seems to have anticipated his effectiveness. As for Hoeing, he seems like a good bet to replace injured bullpen guys right now. I like him in short bursts.

Another note for Pablo Lopez fans like myself, he takes on the White Sox as he goes for a third great outing in a row.

[lou]

A bad omen? Having such a brilliant start as Monteverde did (the best in MiLB thus far) is nothing but a great sign from a system that has featured few good performances. No one seems to have anticipated his effectiveness. As for Hoeing, he seems like a good bet to replace injured bullpen guys right now. I like him in short bursts.

Another note for Pablo Lopez fans like myself, he takes on the White Sox as he goes for a third great outing in a row.

Yes it's a bad omen to be talking about outside top 30 prospects in the system as the bright spots.

Arraez is also hitting .500 but yea, Pablo looks great too.

[Nick]

Paul McIntosh should be in AAA.

I think he’s going to be an interesting bench guy down the road. A useful bat with pop you can stick at C/DH/LF/1B.

[Nick]

Nasim Nunez doing his thing. .231 AVG, .474 OBP. LOL

[fish16]

Nasim Nunez doing his thing. .231 AVG, .474 OBP. LOL

All walks. That won’t hold up against better pitching. His slugging is non existent

[Nick]

All walks. That won’t hold up against better pitching. His slugging is non existent

It’s 4 games in. Whether you think he will be anything at the big league level or not, you still have to admit he’s a fascinating statistical anomaly.

[fish16]

It’s 4 games in. Whether you think he will be anything at the big league level or not, you still have to admit he’s a fascinating statistical anomaly.

absolutely, i think my hope for him is that his bat reaches its peak and he can be a defensive replacement backup SS type who absolutely terrorizes teams on the base path late in games, kind of like how they were using billy hamilton the year he was here.

[fish16]

a couple games in, a truly terrible start for Berry. I dont have high hopes for him. Watson showing the tools we all know he has. Best of all, 4 walks and 3 k's in a few games with displays of power. I think by the end of the year he reestablishes his place as the best hitting prospect in the system (though thats not saying much).

Mcintosh should be in AAA. He played well all year last year in AA and he's older, let's see what we have and test him. Not like we have super talented catchers in AAA.

I really like MD johnson. I think he is in that monteverde category of fringe pitching prospect who can climb in the ranks if they put together a good full season.

Griffin conine seems to have fallen out of favor. He doesnt seem to be a starting player in AA.

Xavier edwards has had a nice start to the year. Ive always liked him in the rays system and he had a down year last year. Getting him for nothing was a steal.

Burdick with 2 walks last night, hopefully we start to see more plate discipline. That's the only thing holding him back.

[Lee Stone]

Speaking of the Rays, I note that Jose Siri is their regular center fielder. As a free agent playing winter league ball in the Dominican a few years ago, I wrote here about him when the Astros signed him. To that point, he was a great defense, super quick, little power and low batting average sort of player. The Rays traded for him on the cheap last year and he's now a big part of that team.

Will be curious to see if rangy southpaw S King shows continued development this year. He starts for Blue Wahoos tonight.

[Nick]

Great contribution to the Marlins minor league thread.