2023 Marlins Minors

[Cambridge]

Jacob Miller with an impressive start in Jupiter

[Nick]

Nasim Nunez another HR.

[Nick]

Victor Mesa Jr. has been really good so far this year. A breakout year from him would be huge.

[fish16]

Nasim Nunez another HR.

That’s awesome to see. I hope he makes me look dumb and develops some power.

berry went 0-4 today with 4 k’s while the angels pick 7 picks after him makes his major league debut

[Lee Stone]

How good is Patrick Monteverde?

At age 23 and with a TJS and rehab during his college years, he hit the 2021 draft as a fifth year senior. He wasn't awful in 2022, pitching to the lowest ERA among starting pitchers in the organization. His move to AA for his last few starts yielded modest results. All the sudden he appears to be unhittable. Most of his outs (that haven't been whiffs) have been infield pop-ups. His slider is vicious to both right and left-handed hitters.

I'm feeling some Zac Gallen in his delayed development. Gallen was modestly rated in the Marlins system before breaking out with amazing command of his pitches and a ridiculous K/W ratio. Monteverde is an overlooked prospect right now, but that can change dramatically with a couple more AA gems. He's incredibly efficient, something that most of the others lack.

Marlins southpaws: Monteverde joins Luzaro, Rogers, Garrett, Fulton, and Eder. Impressive.

[lou]

How good is Patrick Monteverde?

At age 23 and with a TJS and rehab during his college years, he hit the 2021 draft as a fifth year senior. He wasn't awful in 2022, pitching to the lowest ERA among starting pitchers in the organization. His move to AA for his last few starts yielded modest results. All the sudden he appears to be unhittable. Most of his outs (that haven't been whiffs) have been infield pop-ups. His slider is vicious to both right and left-handed hitters.

I'm feeling some Zac Gallen in his delayed development. Gallen was modestly rated in the Marlins system before breaking out with amazing command of his pitches and a ridiculous K/W ratio. Monteverde is an overlooked prospect right now, but that can change dramatically with a couple more AA gems. He's incredibly efficient, something that most of the others lack.

Marlins southpaws: Monteverde joins Luzaro, Rogers, Garrett, Fulton, and Eder. Impressive.

From your lips to god's ears.

However he is throwing nowhere near as hard as Luzardo and Eder, nor Rogers, Gallen, and Fulton who are a step behind those first two. I'd like to see some stats but maybe he is getting to Garrett (91 MPH FB average) consistently. Garrett is effectively a FB/Slider pitcher and looks like Monteverde is more of a changeup guy from his scouting reports. He's probably going to live or die on his slider's development without an elite FB as he'll need something to play off the change. I'd quib that is the closest developmental comp of all the Marlins pitchers. He's a maybe Garrett if that slider arrives, not a Gallen from how I'm reading this.

Have you seen something new on this slider, if so a link would be great. That turning into a weapon, similar Garret, will start making him much more interesting very quickly with that control/BB rate.

[Lee Stone]

Not sure what velocity in and of itself really means. Garrett was below 90 with most of his fastballs in his last start. Rogers sat ar around 93 after the first inning or two in his last start. There are no velocity numbers in Pensacola games, so I have no real idea what Monteverde records.

[lou]

Not sure what velocity in and of itself really means. Garrett was below 90 with most of his fastballs in his last start. Rogers sat ar around 93 after the first inning or two in his last start. There are no velocity numbers in Pensacola games, so I have no real idea what Monteverde records.

It means a lot. The FB is effective because hitters have to be honest to Garrett throwing the slider. It's just hard enough. Rogers is a different beast, but that is not an insignificant MLB jump. Especially with Rogers throwing motion.

MLB Pipeline says 88-92 for Monteverde, but that is likely not too reliable and I imagine it's on the lower end based on where he is on prospect lists. When you see "crafty" in a scouting report it does send up a red flag. A consistent 91 and an improved slider with his changeup being a best pitch starts projecting a bit more. I'm just saying here, this will be good information for you to bat away "he's old AF for his level." My in the crowd analysis without knowing much is, let's see how much the slider (or any third offering really) plays up. That is what I am most interested in.

[Lee Stone]

The 88-92 scouting report was pre draft in 2021. There have been no reported numbers since.

[fish16]

The 88-92 scouting report was pre draft in 2021. There have been no reported numbers since.

Might not be reported publicly because it hasn’t changed much. There is absolutely scouts and scouting reports that go into those top prospect lists. They aren’t ranking guys based on what they were coming into the draft

[Lee Stone]

Then maybe Eury ought to throw a little slower with a little more command. Take a look at top ten MLB Pipeline pitchers list over last five or six years. Seems that most wind up as busts. I think that's because of the undue emphasis on velocity. The hardest throwers are also the most vulnerable to injury.

[lou]

The 88-92 scouting report was pre draft in 2021. There have been no reported numbers since.

Probably because he's an older guy and the velo increases happen for the 18/19 year olds as they fill out. Sure he had the Tommy John and that does take guys a few years to get back to full health, but that was a few years ago so he's probably at his physical peak absent something unusual. We'd all know if he was throwing 94 right now is what I'm saying.

It's gonna be the slider's development into a second above average pitch. All we really have is MLB pipeline with a 40 FB, 50 Slider, and 55 Changeup. With 55 control. He's going to need that slider to be light's out to just get to Garrett level, let alone Gallen.

[fish16]

Then maybe Eury ought to throw a little slower with a little more command. Take a look at top ten MLB Pipeline pitchers list over last five or six years. Seems that most wind up as busts. I think that's because of the undue emphasis on velocity. The hardest throwers are also the most vulnerable to injury.

or maybe eury is fine and he's one of the best pitching prospects in baseball for a reason and monteverde is a fringe prospect. Velocity matters. Eury had 2.92 BB/9 last year and almost 13 k's/9, Monteverde had 2.63 BB/9 and 10 K/9 at the same levels. Also, age matters, Eury did that at 19 at the same levels as monteverde, who was 24 all year last year.

[Nick]

Victor Mesa Jr. has been really good so far this year. A breakout year from him would be huge.

Hit for the cycle tonight.

[lou]

Hit for the cycle tonight.

His peripherals aren't killer though but it is encouraging..... but in AA, McIntosh is hitting .242/.350/.515, 15% BB, 17.5% K, and ......... a .208 BABIP (.260-270 range or so for MiLB career so far).

He's old for the level, but that is a BABIP normalization to a 1.000 OPS with his power pretty much. Hopefully it's not a SSS and he can be an adequate defensive catcher.

Banfield has turned back into Banfield though.