July 2019 Game Thread

[Erick]

I agree, all of these starters who fail should be tried as bulk guys.

[Nick]

Trading Richards now makes no sense.

[tjfla]

Move him to the bullpen. Trading him for likely nothing of significance rather than moving him to the bullpen where his repertoire would work really well would be pretty stupid

Ya we dont need bats move him to the pen where we have 100 guys already

They are gonna get a nice package for him just NOT guys like Tucker/Frazier. They are asking for a ML ready bat right now for all SP. Teams are offering packages for Richards and Smith

Less that 50/50 they trade him btw just saying IF they lowered price they could probably trade him. Teams are more into Sandy/Caleb

[Nick]

Ya we dont need bats move him to the pen where we have 100 guys already

They are gonna get a nice package for him just NOT guys like Tucker/Frazier. They are asking for a ML ready bat right now for all SP. Teams are offering packages for Richards and Smith

What the heck are you talking about? Is this the same as we have CF locked down because look at all the CF prospects we have?

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Less that 50/50 they trade him btw just saying IF they lowered price they could probably trade him. Teams are more into Sandy/Caleb

No Shit.

[fish16]

Ya we dont need bats move him to the pen where we have 100 guys already

They are gonna get a nice package for him just NOT guys like Tucker/Frazier. They are asking for a ML ready bat right now for all SP. Teams are offering packages for Richards and Smith

Less that 50/50 they trade him btw just saying IF they lowered price they could probably trade him. Teams are more into Sandy/Caleb

im willing to bet they dont get anything of significance for him. Also, no, we dont have 100 guys already. we have 100 options who might be ready next year or the year after once they fail as starters. Trading richards now rather than working him out of the bullpen in short spirts where his changeup would thrive is pretty fucking stupid.

[tjfla]

2020 RP options

40 man(Some wont be around)
Chen
Conley
Quijada
Jarlin
Brice
Tayron
Steck
Anderson
Urena
Keller
Kinley
Brigham
Elieser
Guzman
Holloway
Rule 5 Guy

Not on 40 man
Jeff Kinley
Lee
Parker Bugg
Milbrath
Aiello
Tyler Stevens
Eveld
Graves
Mateo
Mills
Chad Smith
Vet FA they sign(always 3-5)

ALL of them are aged right from MLB meaning they could be up. No 21 year olds on the list

So either stick Richards in with the other 25 guys OR trade him and get stuff u can use like bats. I am NOT saying they shouldn't try Richards in pen eventually but what I am saying is I would see if they could trade him for other stuff first and if they can do it they should. I wouldnt trade Richards for some crap but if someone offers u stuff u have alot of other pen options

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Its the same with Caleb Smith-they arent trading him for the offers they got so far but Tucker/Frazier would have them changing mind fast. They want bats bad

Hector Noesi has gotten some calls as well. Could see him dealt

[Nick]

Most of those guys on that list are terrible.

Another thing that bothers me is everyone on here when discussing the problems guys like Guzman & Holloway have, specifically their control, everyone immediately says, well they'll be moved to the bullpen and be fine. How does moving a guy to the bullpen fix control issues?

[tjfla]

Most of those guys on that list are terrible.

Another thing that bothers me is everyone on here when discussing the problems guys like Guzman & Holloway have, specifically their control, everyone immediately says, well they'll be moved to the bullpen and be fine. How does moving a guy to the bullpen fix control issues?

It doesn't but 1 inning of 98-100+ all over is better than 5 innings of it. U dont just give up on arms like that so u send them to the pen

Guzman actually isn't as wild as before,if u watch him it looks like he runs out of steam sometimes when he pitches

What u want them to be All Stars? They are all younger guys/cheap and controllable

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Its like this guy Miami just signed

https://www.nkytribune.com/2019/07/f...m-this-season/

26 yr old who throws 99 and has walked 0. Why did they sign him? Because he throws 99 and has some control of it. Pen arms need 2 pitches-FB and ?-throw hard for an inning and go home

[fish16]

2020 RP options

40 man(Some wont be around)
Chen
Conley
Quijada
Jarlin
Brice
Tayron
Steck
Anderson
Urena
Keller
Kinley
Brigham
Elieser
Guzman
Holloway
Rule 5 Guy

Not on 40 man
Jeff Kinley
Lee
Parker Bugg
Milbrath
Aiello
Tyler Stevens
Eveld
Graves
Mateo
Mills
Chad Smith
Vet FA they sign(always 3-5)

ALL of them are aged right from MLB meaning they could be up. No 21 year olds on the list

So either stick Richards in with the other 25 guys OR trade him and get stuff u can use like bats. I am NOT saying they shouldn't try Richards in pen eventually but what I am saying is I would see if they could trade him for other stuff first and if they can do it they should. I wouldnt trade Richards for some crap but if someone offers u stuff u have alot of other pen options

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Its the same with Caleb Smith-they arent trading him for the offers they got so far but Tucker/Frazier would have them changing mind fast. They want bats bad

Hector Noesi has gotten some calls as well. Could see him dealt

the vast vast vast majority of those guys are complete ass.

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It doesn't but 1 inning of 98-100+ all over is better than 5 innings of it. U dont just give up on arms like that so u send them to the pen

What u want them to be All Stars? They are all younger guys/cheap and controllable

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Its like this guy Miami just signed

https://www.nkytribune.com/2019/07/f...m-this-season/

26 yr old who throws 99 and has walked 0. Why did they sign him? Because he throws 99 and has some control of it. Pen arms need 2 pitches-FB and ?-throw hard for an inning and go home

i know a guy who has 2 pitches and will be available out of the bullpen soon.

[tjfla]

the vast vast vast majority of those guys are complete ass.

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i know a guy who has 2 pitches and will be available out of the bullpen soon.

If they can't get anything they want for him in trade he probably will

LR Elieser
LH Quijada
LH Jarlin
MR Steck
MR Anderson
ST Tayron
CL Urena

2020 pen add 1 more too it and u got the required 13 arms

[fish16]

If they can't get anything they want for him in trade he probably will

Elieser
Quijada
Jarlin
Steck
Anderson
Tayron
Urena

2020 pen add 1 more too it and u got the required 13 arms

please god no more tayron out of the pen. And i dont think urena would be all that effective out of the pen. He is the guy who you trade in the offseason as a SP rather than bring him out of the pen assuming he gets healthy. He has a decent track record as a back end starter and actually could get you a decent ML ready bat.

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id also be cool with bringing romo back in the offseason after trading him at the deadline. He's a good reliever, can work in many roles, wont get much money, and seems like a genuinely good clubhouse guy to have around and he's been on lots of winning teams.

[tjfla]

please god no more tayron out of the pen. And i dont think urena would be all that effective out of the pen. He is the guy who you trade in the offseason as a SP rather than bring him out of the pen assuming he gets healthy. He has a decent track record as a back end starter and actually could get you a decent ML ready bat.

The plan for Urena is try to trade him at Winter Meetings but if they can't get what want he is likely CL next year. Same plan as Richards

Caleb
Sandy
Pablo
Yamamoto
Gallen
Elieser
Quijada
Jarlin
Steck
Anderson
?(Brice,FA,Rule 5,Minor Leaguer)
Tayron
Urena

AAA Neidert,Sixto,Dugger,Poteet(ALL have to be on 40 man),Cabrera,Guzman

Dugger is LR guy and Poteet is maybe #5 SP type but more likely trade bait

[lou]

2020 RP options

40 man(Some wont be around)
Chen
Conley
Quijada
Jarlin
Brice
Tayron
Steck
Anderson
Urena
Keller
Kinley
Brigham
Elieser
Guzman
Holloway
Rule 5 Guy

Not on 40 man
Jeff Kinley
Lee
Parker Bugg
Milbrath
Aiello
Tyler Stevens
Eveld
Graves
Mateo
Mills
Chad Smith
Vet FA they sign(always 3-5)

I've bolded the only guys who should throw bullpen innings next year, and you can add Richards to that list and any lefties they acquire in Castro/Walker/Romo trades or in the offseason.

You can also add Sandy if they do a RP conversion next summer if guys like Sixto/Neidert beat him out and Caleb, Pablo, and Gallen are mainstays, etc.

If they keep Urena, he should start to help with inning quantity as the other guys are still young.

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That's actually a fine projectable bullpen. There is some real upside there.

[Lee Stone]

And as all of this is said, the starting pitching is on a steep downward spiral. Richards, I imagine, has done everything he can to earn a demotion. Alcantara's July numbers are especially brutal. Yamamoto's fortuitous start appears to have been just that. Gallen is walking a batter an inning. And Smith is barely a shadow of his April self. The next couple years could be long ones.

[lou]

And as all of this is said, the starting pitching is on a steep downward spiral. Richards, I imagine, has done everything he can to earn a demotion. Alcantara's July numbers are especially brutal. Yamamoto's fortuitous start appears to have been just that. Gallen is walking a batter an inning. And Smith is barely a shadow of his April self. The next couple years could be long ones.

For the love of fuck Gallen has been up for 22.1 innings.

We always knew Yamamoto was a 6th SP, and Richards a 5th/pen arm.

Smith is fine. It's a SSS but he was hurt and has a 3.71 era and 1.24 whip in July. Jesus.

And Sandy has had a rough few starts. This is your only legitimate grip. It's his first full season. 30 more starts and let's panic, and then he probably becomes a good reliever and cool if that happens?

Pablo, Caleb, Gallen, Sandy, and Richards/Urena/Yamamoto is a good young rotation, and Sixto and Neidert are coming June 2020 more than likely, with some of Cabrera, Garret, Rogers, Stewart, Dugger, etc. June 2021.

The next couple of years aren't going to be a problem because of this absent injuries. They are getting some arms out of this.