June Game Thread

[tjfla]

Conley is out of options. But he does stink. Those guys were also not bringing in big time prospects so it really didn't matter. Baseball has been a buyers market for 2 years.

Don't expect much this deadline for anyone but Urena, who may get something OK assuming he is healthy

Nothing happens likely till July 3. Marlins are dying for IFA Cash and they can't get any till then-wouldn't be surprised to see us giving guys away for IFA cash

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I don't think they could have, or they would have for at least Barraclough and Conley. They certainly would have moved them if they could have got anything above Eveld or Mills. I don't blame them for holding onto them if those were the offers, or Steckenrider in general as he has a ton of control and showed a lot previous two years. If you can give me names of what they turned down, I'd like to see them.

Nothing ever came out on guys names. Just that they wanted a Brad Hand type offer(NOT as good as Mejia) at first then lowered price right before deadline but by then teams had passed.

Pretty much what they are doing with Urena/Rojas this year. They got some calls on them to see price and teams were like WHAT?

[fish16]

Nothing happens likely till July 3. Marlins are dying for IFA Cash and they can't get any till then-wouldn't be surprised to see us giving guys away for IFA cash

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Nothing ever came out on guys names. Just that they wanted a Brad Hand type offer(NOT as good as Mejia) at first then lowered price right before deadline but by then teams had passed.

Pretty much what they are doing with Urena/Rojas this year. They got some calls on them to see price and teams were like WHAT?

holding out for a huge offer for a guy like urena is so idiotic and if they do so they will make the same mistake they did last year with conley and steckenrider. It's especially idiotic given our hitting prospects and how many MLB ready starting pitchers we have.

[tjfla]

holding out for a huge offer for a guy like urena is so idiotic and if they do so they will make the same mistake they did last year with conley and steckenrider. It's especially idiotic given our hitting prospects and how many MLB ready starting pitchers we have.

Thinking is it only takes 1 team to say Yes but I agree. U can get a solid 3 thing package for Urena and call up Gallen

Like said I am hearing July 3 is when they are gonna get serious on lots of guys. IFA Cash and prospects then start moving guys up to

[gustavopim]

I can't stand Granderson. If there's one veteran that I don't want to watch it's him. He has a noodle arm, can't run and can't hit. What pisses me off the most is that he's batting leadoff and for some reason Brison who had a better AVG had to hit 8th all the time.

I feel really bad for Conley, but we gotta DFA him. We've seen enough to know that he's not being effective.

[fish16]

Thinking is it only takes 1 team to say Yes but I agree. U can get a solid 3 thing package for Urena and call up Gallen

Like said I am hearing July 3 is when they are gonna get serious on lots of guys. IFA Cash and prospects then start moving guys up to

that's horrendous logic you can use in literally any situation in which you are asking for way too much that will never be fulfilled. Asking for 3 top prospects for Miguel rojas and softening it with the logic that "it only takes one team to agree" is just a way of covering up for the offeror's terrible offer that will never be accepted.

Urena they should be going for either the best hitting prospect they can get or a collection of a few decent hitting prospects. Deal him and move on, we know what he is, and it's great he's become more than we thought he would, but stop asking for the world for guys that are average players with no hope of ever becoming more.

Asking for anything other than IFA cash or a non prospect and expecting to get it for Rojas is just horrendous asset management, if you can even really call Rojas an asset.

[tjfla]

that's horrendous logic you can use in literally any situation in which you are asking for way too much that will never be fulfilled. Asking for 3 top prospects for Miguel rojas and softening it with the logic that "it only takes one team to agree" is just a way of covering up for the offeror's terrible offer that will never be accepted.

Urena they should be going for either the best hitting prospect they can get or a collection of a few decent hitting prospects. Deal him and move on, we know what he is, and it's great he's become more than we thought he would, but stop asking for the world for guys that are average players with no hope of ever becoming more.

Asking for anything other than IFA cash or a non prospect and expecting to get it for Rojas is just horrendous asset management, if you can even really call Rojas an asset.

3 Top Prospects?? I said a solid 3 things for URENA!! Solid young bat/Top 15-20 arm/IFA cash is 3 solid things!!


Saying there thinking for the high asking price to start is it only takes 1 team to agree.

What I said about Rojas is teams called and couldn't believe the price. No clue what it exactly was

[Namaste]

I can't stand Granderson. If there's one veteran that I don't want to watch it's him. He has a noodle arm, can't run and can't hit. What pisses me off the most is that he's batting leadoff and for some reason Brison who had a better AVG had to hit 8th all the time.

Having the lowest BABIP on the team is not helping Granderson’s offensive numbers.

[fish16]

3 Top Prospects?? I said a solid 3 things for URENA!! Solid young bat/Top 15-20 arm/IFA cash is 3 solid things!!


Saying there thinking for the high asking price to start is it only takes 1 team to agree.

What I said about Rojas is teams called and couldn't believe the price. No clue what it exactly was

you didnt understand the point of my post at all. I wasnt saying they asked for 3 top prospects for Rojas, im saying the logic of "it only takes 1 team to agree" is unbelievably stupid logic. You dont just get to ask for a ridiculous package of players that any rational person knows will never be met and couch it under the logic of "it only takes 1 team to agree." They've been overvaluing our guys for 2 straight years now and it's part of the reason why they completely fucked up the Conley and Steckenrider trades last year.

[tjfla]

I wouldn't be surprised if they just took any IFA cash for Romo/Walker/Grandy/Prado/Castro/Rojas and then used it to sign Cappe/Yo Sanchez/other Cubans who come on market

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you didnt understand the point of my post at all. I wasnt saying they asked for 3 top prospects for Rojas, im saying the logic of "it only takes 1 team to agree" is unbelievably stupid logic. You dont just get to ask for a ridiculous package of players that any rational person knows will never be met and couch it under the logic of "it only takes 1 team to agree." They've been overvaluing our guys for 2 straight years now and it's part of the reason why they completely fucked up the Conley and Steckenrider trades last year.

I understood the point and I am saying u always start like that at the beginning of the season/before July. If a team calls about your guys(who are NOT FA) u ask for crazy things to see if they will pay. After July 1 the prices come down and thats when/why trades happen.

Why is it stupid? TB does it EVERY year and every year they get a team to bite. SF/Pitt have overpaid for Longoria/Archer then Minnesota stole Odorizzi from them

[fish16]

I wouldn't be surprised if they just took any IFA cash for Romo/Walker/Grandy/Prado/Castro/Rojas and then used it to sign Cappe/Yo Sanchez/other Cubans who come on market

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I understood the point and I am saying u always start like that at the beginning of the season/before July. If a team calls about your guys(who are NOT FA) u ask for crazy things to see if they will pay. After July 1 the prices come down and thats when/why trades happen.

Why is it stupid? TB does it EVERY year and every year they get a team to bite. SF/Pitt have overpaid for Longoria/Archer then Minnesota stole Odorizzi from them

No, you dont always start like that at the beginning of the season. That's a great way to get teams to avoid negotiating with you. SF/Pitt overpaid for actually good/valuable players. Asking for too much for Rojas and Urena is the height of mismanagement. It's not a way to get teams to bite, teams arent stupid. It's a great way to show the other team you arent serious about making a trade though. And them not being free agents doesnt matter, teams know we have to/100% will deal most of these guys. Bluffing and saying you are holding out for ridiculous demands doesnt work when teams know other teams situations. Every single team knows we have pitching depth that is ready to come up and that rojas is barely a major league player cause he flat out cannot hit, asking for too much for them is complete stupidity and just wasting time that could be actually spent negotiating real possible deals.

[tjfla]

No, you dont always start like that at the beginning of the season. That's a great way to get teams to avoid negotiating with you. SF/Pitt overpaid for actually good/valuable players. Asking for too much for Rojas and Urena is the height of mismanagement. It's not a way to get teams to bite, teams arent stupid. It's a great way to show the other team you arent serious about making a trade though. And them not being free agents doesnt matter, teams know we have to/100% will deal most of these guys. Bluffing and saying you are holding out for ridiculous demands doesnt work when teams know other teams situations. Every single team knows we have pitching depth that is ready to come up and that rojas is barely a major league player cause he flat out cannot hit, asking for too much for them is complete stupidity and just wasting time that could be actually spent negotiating real possible deals.

Totally right u should ask for a 18 yr old DSL in March as a starting point and hope a team comes back and says how about a young ML bat and Top 20 arm

U ever had a garage sale? People come and ask u how much do u want for that-do u start with $1 or $10? Normally u start with $10 and then get a counter-don't start at $1 and hope the guy says ill give u $5

[fish16]

Totally right u should ask for a 18 yr old DSL in March as a starting point and hope a team comes back and says how about a young ML bat and Top 20 arm

U ever had a garage sale? People come and ask u how much do u want for that-do u start with $1 or $10? Normally u start with $10 and then get a counter-don't start at $1 and hope the guy says ill give u $5

No, you should ask for on the high end of what you could realistically get. IF you are selling a pair of socks at a garage sale and start at $50, im saying fuck you ill go get a pair from someone else, it's just a pair of socks, and also not want to ever negotiate with you for anything else ever again because that's not negotiating in good faith and its a terrible way to try to negotiate with people you will negotiate with again in the future.

[lou]

every report was they were asking for a top prospect. OBviously i dont have inside info, but given their control and how great those guys were at that point last year, they 100% would have gotten more than a guy like Mills. If they were free agents at the end of last year, id agree, but those guys and the years they were having and the control they had could absolutely fetch you a solid hitting prospect or a collection of a few decent lower minors guys.

So they get a Ferrell and who cares? I mean low-level transactions turn into Caleb and N. Anderson, but those guys were at the same time not acquired for MLB talent and supremely lucky moves. There's really nothing wrong holding onto guys with their years of control which is the point. Relievers are volatile. This is obviously a rough stretch for Conley, but it happens. I don't think another Ferrell or Brice or Guerrero (at best) around changes anything longterm compared to just keeping them. Of course, if you can show me they turned down FV45 prospects that would slot into the Marlins top 15ish or other good multi player packages, that changes the story. It's a buyers market. All the teams sell their players at the bottom now and there isn't an inventory issue unless you have something special (like Hand).

At the same time, I would double down on Conley succeeding. I'd not throw him for 7-10 days unless they absolutely have to, then have him start opening games for Hernandez and someone else. A complete reset and challenging him with confidence being put into him versus sending him to mop up. At least a few times anyways. What do they have to lose? A worse draft pick?

[gustavopim]

Having the lowest BABIP on the team is not helping Granderson’s offensive numbers.

His BABIP is so low because he's always hitting the ball in the ground and has no hard hit balls at all. 34th percentile in hard hit rate. 9th percentile in expected batting average (meaning that 91% of the league should have a better avg them him).

There's no way to have someone with a .620 OBP leading off most of the games.

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Having the lowest BABIP on the team is not helping Granderson’s offensive numbers.

His BABIP is so low because he's always hitting the ball in the ground and has no hard hit balls at all. 34th percentile in hard hit rate. 9th percentile in expected batting average (meaning that 91% of the league should have a better avg them him).

There's no way to have someone with a .620 OBP leading off most of the games.

[tjfla]

So they get a Ferrell and who cares? I mean low-level transactions turn into Caleb and N. Anderson, but those guys were at the same time not acquired for MLB talent and supremely lucky moves. There's really nothing wrong holding onto guys with their years of control which is the point. Relievers are volatile. This is obviously a rough stretch for Conley, but it happens. I don't think another Ferrell or Brice or Guerrero (at best) around changes anything longterm compared to just keeping them. Of course, if you can show me they turned down FV45 prospects that would slot into the Marlins top 15ish or other good multi player packages, that changes the story. It's a buyers market. All the teams sell their players at the bottom now and there isn't an inventory issue unless you have something special (like Hand).

At the same time, I would double down on Conley succeeding. I'd not throw him for 7-10 days unless they absolutely have to, then have him start opening games for Hernandez and someone else. A complete reset and challenging him with confidence being put into him versus sending him to mop up. At least a few times anyways. What do they have to lose? A worse draft pick?

Should be a few more trades like Anderson/Stevens next year too. We have to add 5/6 SP to 40 man so few guys won't make it