June Game Thread

[fish16]

almost impossible to have a better all around debut than yamamoto. We have a ton of SP depth that will need to be figured out come 2021 when the current crop of guys in jupiter get major league ready. We have 17 different guys between A+ and MLB who could all be in a ML rotation realistically by 2021. the 5 current guys, Yamamoto, Elieser, Gallen, Guzman, Holloway, Rogers, Garrett, Dugger, Sixto, Cabrera, Neidert and Stewart.

[Namaste]

Grandy can

[fish16]

that was an awesome interview from yamamoto on the field after the game.

[Nick]

that was an awesome interview from yamamoto on the field after the game.

I was going to say the same thing. I'll definitely be rooting for that guy.

[fish16]

so a year and a half after the yelich trade, the only one currently on the MLB roster is Yamamoto. As we all had it.

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Although Diaz is essentially just waiting for us to trade Starlin right now and Monte had a very good start to the year.

[gustavopim]

so a year and a half after the yelich trade, the only one currently on the MLB roster is Yamamoto. As we all had it.

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Although Diaz is essentially just waiting for us to trade Starlin right now and Monte had a very good start to the year.

By September we hopefully will have all 4 in the Majors. If at least 3 can be 2-3 WAR players we're good

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Luke Simpson®


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Since it’s LATE night, I’ll drop a little trade nugget I picked up lately. TWINS are very interested in a Marlins pitcher (who’s name has been mentioned in trades a lot lately) and the Marlins have sent scouts lately to Twins A+, AA and AAA games. Something to monitor

[Lee Stone]

Yamamoto is pretty much as advertised. His stuff is not super impressive, but knows how to pitch and attacks the strike zone.

It's a funny game. Hernandez looked much more impressive than Yamamoto but didn't get the plays behind him. I'd say that Elieser has the much brighter future.

[tjfla]

He's on the 40 man and rested?

I assume this is today only and Gallen will replace him.

U WIN!!! The only head scratcher is why Zac Gallen was pissed off about this. #1 He is NOT on the 40 Man and #2 was on 2 days rest

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By September we hopefully will have all 4 in the Majors. If at least 3 can be 2-3 WAR players we're good

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Luke Simpson®


@4_lukesimpson
8m8 minutes ago
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Since it’s LATE night, I’ll drop a little trade nugget I picked up lately. TWINS are very interested in a Marlins pitcher (who’s name has been mentioned in trades a lot lately) and the Marlins have sent scouts lately to Twins A+, AA and AAA games. Something to monitor

Minnesota is always interested in our guys and have been looking at Urena since LY. NYY/Texas/SD/Minnesota/TB are teams I have heard looking at Urena. Issue we always have with Minnesota is they refuse to trade their Top Guys-called on JT and they refused to talk Nick Gordon

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almost impossible to have a better all around debut than yamamoto. We have a ton of SP depth that will need to be figured out come 2021 when the current crop of guys in jupiter get major league ready. We have 17 different guys between A+ and MLB who could all be in a ML rotation realistically by 2021. the 5 current guys, Yamamoto, Elieser, Gallen, Guzman, Holloway, Rogers, Garrett, Dugger, Sixto, Cabrera, Neidert and Stewart.

Yamamoto looked good but still likely a RP in Majors. Same with Dugger,Guzman and Holloway

[Namaste]

By September we hopefully will have all 4 in the Majors. If at least 3 can be 2-3 WAR players we're good

We are so far away from that right now. I thought for sure this was a fish16 post. I was wrong.

So far, nothing has happened that would lead me to believe that more than one (Diaz) will be a 2-3 WAR player.

[Nick]

U WIN!!! The only head scratcher is why Zac Gallen was pissed off about this. #1 He is NOT on the 40 Man and #2 was on 2 days rest.

Yamamoto looked good but still likely a RP in Majors. Same with Dugger,Guzman and Holloway

First of all, you guys are over blowing the Gallen being pissed thing. Also, they deliberately skipped Elieser's start in AAA they could've done the same for him.

Also, after watching Yamamoto pitch last night, I completely disagree on him as a reliever. He's either going to make it as a starter or not at all. I dont see his stuff really playing up as a reliever. His entire pitching style is predicated on pitch-mixing.

[lou]

We are so far away from that right now. I thought for sure this was a fish16 post. I was wrong.

So far, nothing has happened that would lead me to believe that more than one (Diaz) will be a 2-3 WAR player.

Yea. The breakeven is somewhere around 25-30 WAR for all of them for their club controlled years, but that's not accounting for Yelich's uptick in production.

I'm unfortunately taking the under but hope I'm wrong. Hopefully at least Diaz is good so it's not an across the board dud like the Cabrera trade.

[lou]

Minnesota is always interested in our guys and have been looking at Urena since LY. NYY/Texas/SD/Minnesota/TB are teams I have heard looking at Urena. Issue we always have with Minnesota is they refuse to trade their Top Guys-called on JT and they refused to talk Nick Gordon

Urena and Romo makes a lot of sense for them. I think it would be smart for the Twins to do it now for cheap so if they need more stuff, they can trade in late July. Assuming Urena is ready to go in a week of course.

Something like Jeffers, Moran, Alcala, and A. Robinson would make sense, with Minnesota eating the contracts which saves the Marlins around $2.5 million ROS. Unfortunately we can't project a lot of surplus value onto Urena. Those later three would have to go on a 40 man roster which I think Minnesota would view as a positive to clear their books a little, and I think the Marlins have that room. I think Jeffers would be around their top 16-18th prospect, and Moran and Alcala would slot in somewhere 24-30. Sounds about right to me for Urena. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-41-p...nnesota-twins/

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First of all, you guys are over blowing the Gallen being pissed thing. Also, they deliberately skipped Elieser's start in AAA they could've done the same for him.

Also, after watching Yamamoto pitch last night, I completely disagree on him as a reliever. He's either going to make it as a starter or not at all. I dont see his stuff really playing up as a reliever. His entire pitching style is predicated on pitch-mixing.

I mostly agree with you here (and totally about over blowing Gallen's text which who cares), but there are some random guys like Petit who throw junk and make it as multi inning relievers so who knows. He may have that moxie to carve a roll with something like that.

I think the good news for us is, at minimum, he has two options after this year so if Yamamoto is the de facto "7th" SP in the organization for 2019-2021, that's great depth. It's just hard to see him cutting through longterm with Sixto, Pablo, Caleb, Alcantara, Gallen, Neidert, and some of E. Hernandez, Guzman, Garrett, E. Cabrera, Rogers, Holloway, Stewart, and Dugger may remain SP.

August 1, 2020 is going to be very exciting to figure out what to do once we get another 150-200 innings with all of these guys.

[fish16]

The yelich trade was awful last year, as expected, but can we stop comparing it to the cabrera trade already? At least for another 2 years? None of Monte, Diaz, or Yamamoto were expected to be in the big leagues at this point and they are all playing extremely well in the minors, perhaps stop comparing trades to the worst trade of all time prior to 75% of the trade being in the majors at a point when that 75% wasnt expected to be in the majors at this point?

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a trade can be bad without it being compared to the worst trade of all time when you traded a hall of famer and the best guy you got was a long reliever?

[Nick]

Urena and Romo makes a lot of sense for them. I think it would be smart for the Twins to do it now for cheap so if they need more stuff, they can trade in late July. Assuming Urena is ready to go in a week of course.

Something like Jeffers, Moran, Alcala, and A. Robinson would make sense, with Minnesota eating the contracts which saves the Marlins around $2.5 million ROS. Unfortunately we can't project a lot of surplus value onto Urena. Those later three would have to go on a 40 man roster which I think Minnesota would view as a positive to clear their books a little, and I think the Marlins have that room. I think Jeffers would be around their top 16-18th prospect, and Moran and Alcala would slot in somewhere 24-30. Sounds about right to me for Urena. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-41-p...nnesota-twins/

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I mostly agree with you here (and totally about over blowing Gallen's text which who cares), but there are some random guys like Petit who throw junk and make it as multi inning relievers so who knows. He may have that moxie to carve a roll with something like that.

I think the good news for us is, at minimum, he has two options after this year so if Yamamoto is the de facto "7th" SP in the organization for 2019-2021, that's great depth. It's just hard to see him cutting through longterm with Sixto, Pablo, Caleb, Alcantara, Gallen, Neidert, and some of E. Hernandez, Guzman, Garrett, E. Cabrera, Rogers, Holloway, Stewart, and Dugger may remain SP.

August 1, 2020 is going to be very exciting to figure out what to do once we get another 150-200 innings with all of these guys.

I could definitely see a situation where maybe Yamamoto's in the rotation for a bit in 2020, and someone like Neidert or Sixto is ready to come up and you have to make a decision of who to send to the pen out of Alcantara, Richards and Yamamoto, and they all have similar numbers, where you might decide to send Alcantara or Richards to the pen, because I think their stuff does play up in the bullpen and I think we could even be talking closer material at some point, instead of Yamamoto who I think eventually could cement himself as a steady-eddy 4 or 5, innings eater type guy that every team needs.

You also have to take into consideration that we have Smith, Lopez, Gallen, Elieser, etc. but you never know what's going to happen with injuries and trades and such.

[lou]

I could definitely see a situation where maybe Yamamoto's in the rotation for a bit in 2020, and someone like Neidert or Sixto is ready to come up and you have to make a decision of who to send to the pen out of Alcantara, Richards and Yamamoto, and they all have similar numbers, where you might decide to send Alcantara or Richards to the pen, because I think their stuff does play up in the bullpen and I think we could even be talking closer material at some point, instead of Yamamoto who I think eventually could cement himself as a steady-eddy 4 or 5, innings eater type guy that every team needs.

You also have to take into consideration that we have Smith, Lopez, Gallen, Elieser, etc. but you never know what's going to happen with injuries and trades and such.

With you completely here. Luckily, performance is likely going to dictate this. They can't possibly develop seven #3 SP where someone is insulted moving to the pen.