June Game Thread

[Todd]

Only made it 5 innings. 8 baserunners including 4 bbs, 4 runs given up. "Looks good"...get the fuck out of here.

10 of his 13 starts have been poor.

[Nick]

Only made it 5 innings. 8 baserunners including 4 bbs, 4 runs given up. "Looks good"...get the fuck out of here.

10 of his 13 starts have been poor.

1 earned, convenient you left that out. Alfaro makes that play, it's a different game. About a million things wrong with this team and this is the one thing you come here to post about these days? Get a new cause.

[fish16]

What’s up with certain posters on this board only posting when it suits their uninformed predetermined borderline irrational opinion?

[Lee Stone]

Brigham, I'm guessing wasn't available after going 3 innings on Friday.

Which brings up the point: Why burn up your best bullpen arm (seen his stuff?) by pitching him over 40 pitches (three innings last Friday), thus making him unavailable for a few days?

My biggest Mattingly grievance: Castro and Prado ... .572 and .565 OPS ... very worst on the team ... batting 4th and 5th in the order. That's inexplicable. At the very least, move Ramirez and Alfaro up there. Neither one is prone to grounding into double plays either.

Jarlin Garcia has been vastly under-utilized this season.

On Alcantara. I was skeptical of Sandy as a starter, mainly due to lack of off speed pitches and command (way too many walks). Fact is that he has shown huge improvement. His slider and changeup looked pretty darn good in his last few outings. His future suddenly looks a lot brighter to me.

Really looking forward to Hernandez start tonight.

[Erick]

Only made it 5 innings. 8 baserunners including 4 bbs, 4 runs given up. "Looks good"...get the fuck out of here.

10 of his 13 starts have been poor.

10 of 13 poor starts yet his ERA is under 4. Weird.

[lou]

On Alcantara. I was skeptical of Sandy as a starter, mainly due to lack of off speed pitches and command (way too many walks). Fact is that he has shown huge improvement. His slider and changeup looked pretty darn good in his last few outings. His future suddenly looks a lot brighter to me.

We're getting there boys

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Only made it 5 innings. 8 baserunners including 4 bbs, 4 runs given up. "Looks good"...get the fuck out of here.

10 of his 13 starts have been poor.

He has a 4.34 FIP right now. I mean, is that good? No. Is it bad? No. Is he a rookie? Yes. Is that pretty solid for a rookie. Yes.

I just looked at his game log. I'd give him 4 good, 4 OK, and 5 stinkers.

[Lee Stone]

1 earned, convenient you left that out. Alfaro makes that play, it's a different game. About a million things wrong with this team and this is the one thing you come here to post about these days? Get a new cause.

Beautifully executed bunt by Wong. Marlins can't lay down effective bunts at all (as an entire team). While much is said about the statistical side of bunting as a strategy, the stats are jaded because so few teams bunt WELL.

[Madman81]

Beautifully executed bunt by Wong. Marlins can't lay down effective bunts at all (as an entire team). While much is said about the statistical side of bunting as a strategy, the stats are jaded because so few teams bunt WELL.

no, they're not, because the stats show that bunting is stupid even if you assume away the question of a successful bunt or not.

[fish16]

Beautifully executed bunt by Wong. Marlins can't lay down effective bunts at all (as an entire team). While much is said about the statistical side of bunting as a strategy, the stats are jaded because so few teams bunt WELL.

I feel like Lee is Joe Morgan, and not even a slightly modernized joe morgan, it feels like he is joe morgan with a mentality for baseball that is straight out of the antiquated thinking days of the 70s and 80s.

[gustavopim]

Beautifully executed bunt by Wong. Marlins can't lay down effective bunts at all (as an entire team). While much is said about the statistical side of bunting as a strategy, the stats are jaded because so few teams bunt WELL.

You're right Lee. Even our pitchers can't lay down a bunt. For the offense that we are I wish we could move more runners up.

What I don't get with Alcantara is that he's GOOD when he attacks the zone. He sucks when he's trying to be perfect and hit the corners. All of his good games came when he was just pounding the zone and letting other teams make weak contact.

[Lee Stone]

You're right Lee. Even our pitchers can't lay down a bunt. For the offense that we are I wish we could move more runners up.

What I don't get with Alcantara is that he's GOOD when he attacks the zone. He sucks when he's trying to be perfect and hit the corners. All of his good games came when he was just pounding the zone and letting other teams make weak contact.

Exactly. Of all the starters, he has the least to fear from contact.

[lou]

Exactly. Of all the starters, he has the least to fear from contact.

Well maybe he is getting that weak contact from pitching around the zone? But, isn't this the criticism of all young SP - don't be afraid of (weak) contact. I mean some of them instantly get it (like Soroka), but most have to learn to trust their stuff.

Doesn't Sandy seem like Eovaldi? I think someone mentioned this before as a comp. The stuff is there, where are the strikeouts? Still a good SP though. Eovaldi only started striking out guys last year which is just nuts.

He's not a Pablo or Caleb level success (although Caleb's 4.19 FIP is a hair below Sandy's 4.34, acknowledging Caleb's may be inflated from 2-3 starts he was a little hurt), but Sandy is fairly encouraging this year so far. He's earned a lot more starts IMO. I was leaning bullpen, but now I'm not so sure. They may just have to let him work itself out for awhile based on sheer upside potential.

I can put Sixto, Pablo, and Caleb above him, and Gallen is probably on his level. I think Sandy gets all benefits of a doubt of all other arms in the organization today, but Neidert, Garrett, Rogers, Guzman, and E. Cabrera have the ability to change my mind in a year.

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Also how fucking dumb are they are not keeping Wittgren?

[rmc523]

Also how fucking dumb are they are not keeping Wittgren?

It just seemed absolutely idiotic at the time, and looks even more stupid now. I don't know why they were so down on him sending him down all the time, and ultimately just shipping him out. It wasn't like we had a bullpen full of studs where he was just the odd man out, he'd be our best reliever and could've brought us some good pieces back at the deadline.

[Nick]

Well maybe he is getting that weak contact from pitching around the zone? But, isn't this the criticism of all young SP - don't be afraid of (weak) contact. I mean some of them instantly get it (like Soroka), but most have to learn to trust their stuff.

Doesn't Sandy seem like Eovaldi? I think someone mentioned this before as a comp. The stuff is there, where are the strikeouts? Still a good SP though. Eovaldi only started striking out guys last year which is just nuts.

He's not a Pablo or Caleb level success (although Caleb's 4.19 FIP is a hair below Sandy's 4.34, acknowledging Caleb's may be inflated from 2-3 starts he was a little hurt), but Sandy is fairly encouraging this year so far. He's earned a lot more starts IMO. I was leaning bullpen, but now I'm not so sure. They may just have to let him work itself out for awhile based on sheer upside potential.

I can put Sixto, Pablo, and Caleb above him, and Gallen is probably on his level. I think Sandy gets all benefits of a doubt of all other arms in the organization today, but Neidert, Garrett, Rogers, Guzman, and E. Cabrera have the ability to change my mind in a year.

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Also how fucking dumb are they are not keeping Wittgren?

The way we treated Wittgren even through the Ownership transition always baffled me. His numbers and performance were always way better than his status in the bullpen or just organization in general.

[fish16]

The way we treated Wittgren even through the Ownership transition always baffled me. His numbers and performance were always way better than his status in the bullpen or just organization in general.

it was the same way for both ownership groups. Coming up through our system he was absolutely dominant in the minors and was consistently treated as if he was just having decent seasons. Theres gotta be something else there, if not, the treatment from both sets of ownership groups is just baffling.

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Well maybe he is getting that weak contact from pitching around the zone? But, isn't this the criticism of all young SP - don't be afraid of (weak) contact. I mean some of them instantly get it (like Soroka), but most have to learn to trust their stuff.

Doesn't Sandy seem like Eovaldi? I think someone mentioned this before as a comp. The stuff is there, where are the strikeouts? Still a good SP though. Eovaldi only started striking out guys last year which is just nuts.

He's not a Pablo or Caleb level success (although Caleb's 4.19 FIP is a hair below Sandy's 4.34, acknowledging Caleb's may be inflated from 2-3 starts he was a little hurt), but Sandy is fairly encouraging this year so far. He's earned a lot more starts IMO. I was leaning bullpen, but now I'm not so sure. They may just have to let him work itself out for awhile based on sheer upside potential.

I can put Sixto, Pablo, and Caleb above him, and Gallen is probably on his level. I think Sandy gets all benefits of a doubt of all other arms in the organization today, but Neidert, Garrett, Rogers, Guzman, and E. Cabrera have the ability to change my mind in a year.

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Also how fucking dumb are they are not keeping Wittgren?

Ya that was me comparing him to eovaldi. In the sense that they can both be dominant or both can be nowhere near the strike zone with 0 command. Eovaldi was a few years older when we got him though i think so that comparison might be a little early.