Season Super Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

Bust, but Fish16 will continue to beat his drum about him. That was a trade that likely killed this rebuild and will hopefully pave the way for new ownership in a couple of years that can figure out how to win

There's nothing wrong with cheering for your favorites. I'm a Peter O'Brien fan ... seriously. As to the MILW trade, Yamamoto might become a better starter than anyone in the current rotation - that's hardy a stretch. Harrison might figure things out and be a 30-30 guy by the time he reaches age 25 - albeit that's a stretch.

[Lee Stone]

Hold on if this is true (from today's MLBTR about Josh Donaldson preseason offer from SL): Indeed, per the report, the Cards offered up a two-player package that included young righty Jack Flaherty — the same hurler who might well be cruising to a National League Rookie-of-the-Year award were it not for the brilliance of two historic young hitters.

If that's true, the Cards were willing to give up a tip top prospect for the right to pay Donaldson $23M for a single year. Therefore, how the hell did we not get Flaherty for Ozuna, who had two years of control at less than half the salary? Flaherty would have been the ace we are looking for.

[tjfla]

Hold on if this is true (from today's MLBTR about Josh Donaldson preseason offer from SL): Indeed, per the report, the Cards offered up a two-player package that included young righty Jack Flaherty — the same hurler who might well be cruising to a National League Rookie-of-the-Year award were it not for the brilliance of two historic young hitters.

If that's true, the Cards were willing to give up a tip top prospect for the right to pay Donaldson $23M for a single year. Therefore, how the hell did we not get Flaherty for Ozuna, who had two years of control at less than half the salary? Flaherty would have been the ace we are looking for.

Blame Mike Stanton or according to some on this board Jeff Loria. Flaherty was in the deal for Stanton-the deal we had with St Louis was very nice which is why we were trying hard as hell to get him to go there. If Stanton didn't have No Trade he would be in St Louis right now and Flaherty would be here. Ozuna would likely be in Toronto

Reason why St Louis was willing to pay MORE(Flaherty) for Stanton than Ozuna was because Stanton was signed long term and we were sending lots of cash-Ozuna is FA soon which is why Flaherty was NOT in that deal

If Stanton didn't have NO trade it would have been

Stanton-St Louis
Ozuna-Toronto or Milwaukee
Yelich-Milwaukee or ?

Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Goold reports that the Cards have made a “compelling” offer for Giancarlo Stanton and have discussed right-handers Sandy Alcantara and Jack Flaherty in various trade scenarios with the Marlins. (Notably, Goold does not specify whether either Alcantara or Flaherty is in the Cardinals’ final offer.) The Cardinals, he adds, are also willing to take on more of the contract than other teams.

[Nick]

Blame Mike Stanton or according to some on this board Jeff Loria.

How is this even a question to you?

[tjfla]

This is what confuses me about players. Chris O'Grady has been out since May yet this is a tweet from 9/15

Chris O'GradyVerified account @COGrady38 · 17h17 hours ago
10 days after surgery and feeling a lot better already. Going be a long road to recovery. But, I’ve done it once before and I’ll do it again. Still have a lot of pitches left to throw…

So 4 months AFTER everyone else knew he need surgery he finally gets it?

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How is this even a question to you?

People know my feeling about Stanton crying about where he wants to go

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In draft news

#2 KC 52-96
#3 Miami 57-91
#4/#5 Both at 59 Wins

KC keeps winning we could get to #2 but more likely #3 pick in draft/Rule 5 and #1 in NL Waivers

Miami COULD have #3/#34/#42.

[dim]

Marlins just found their next Justin Bour in Peter O'Brien. Gotta love random guys potentially becoming long term players.

[Lee Stone]

Marlins just found their next Justin Bour in Peter O'Brien. Gotta love random guys potentially becoming long term players.

Ditto. The Marlin's Joey Gallo. The thing that stands out to me is the patience. He knows balls from strikes right away. I haven't seen him swing at a pitch that was out of the zone - which sets him above nearly everyone on the team in that regard.

[Nick]

People know my feeling about Stanton crying about where he wants to go

Yeah and it's really dumb. Stanton's not a dummy he saw what Loria did to every single other guy who signed a long-term contract with us. Him getting a no-trade clause and then using that power he earned to go where he wanted to go is the whole point of getting the no-trade clause.

[Namaste]

I can’t fucking believe there are people who are annoyed at Stanton for ANYTHING he did as a Marlin. We were so lucky to have him.

[lou]

Marlins just found their next Justin Bour in Peter O'Brien. Gotta love random guys potentially becoming long term players.

Jumping ahead a bit here? I mean he has awesome power, but he's never put it together for any stretch in his career. His AAA line is solid and maybe he's a late bloomer I guess? If that can translate into .230/.300+/.450+ that's a fine bench bat for them, plus an emergency 3rd catcher which is nice if you want to pinch hit with the other one.

He's out of options which is an issue, but I agree to the extent of I don't mind protecting him on the 40 man and figuring it out in Spring Training.

[Erick]

Ditto. The Marlin's Joey Gallo. The thing that stands out to me is the patience. He knows balls from strikes right away. I haven't seen him swing at a pitch that was out of the zone - which sets him above nearly everyone on the team in that regard.

That’s funny because his o-swing% as a big leaguer is over 40.

[Nick]

Lee should make a thread every month letting us all know who his flavor of the month is.

The Ortega love feels like a distant memory. His impeccable plate approach has translated to a .286 OBP.

[Lee Stone]

That’s funny because his o-swing% as a big leaguer is over 40.

I see the glass as half full. The 8 hr in 95 ML at bats works for me. 10 hr in 112 ab at New Orleans does too, especially in concert with good BA and OBP.

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Lee should make a thread every month letting us all know who his flavor of the month is.

The Ortega love feels like a distant memory. His impeccable plate approach has translated to a .286 OBP.

I don't recall being alone in appreciating Ortega's early success. Don Mattingly moved him to leadoff. I guess he should have checked with you first.

[Nick]

I forgot Mattingly was infallible.

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also, it's not like there are a lot of great options for leadoff man on the team. When you only have 1 good hitter in the entire lineup, it's tough.

[Lee Stone]

I forgot Mattingly was infallible.

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also, it's not like there are a lot of great options for leadoff man on the team. When you only have 1 good hitter in the entire lineup, it's tough.

Mattingly seems very fallible to me as well. However, I have to respect the fact that he knows his players a lot better than I do.