Season Super Game Thread

[lou]

Not sure why people think Brian Anderson has the glove to be a long term starting 3B.

He’s really good in RF

He also has a really good defensive rating at 3B this year. Yea his RF defensive stats are objectively better, but obviously, his bat plays better at 3B and I think we'd all agree, they can probably find an outfielder easier than a 3B.

If he fails defensively at 3B in 2019, they can always move him then. It's not like he'll forget how to play RF. If Dunand or Nelson turn out to be awesome at 3B, they can shuffle things around easily. Likewise, if Diaz is going to hit immediately, they can figure out how to shuffle Castro/Diaz to 3B and move Anderson back to the OF. I presume that's what they do, unless they really try to work Castro at SS (at this point, why not?).

I think this is a good problem, but they should keep him in the infield until he is pushed out basically.

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I also think Richards could be a decent rotation guy moving forward but i think he might be a shut down reliever with that changeup.

As we keep saying, the bullpen is going to be awesome in 2 years when they churn them all, but god knows what survives in the rotation.

They just need 3 of them to work out. Developing a 3, two 4s, and killer bullpen, is an Oaklandesque staff which is fine. Sign a fancy SP, and look for a Trevor Cahill, and that gets it done if you can hit.

[rmc523]

Not sure why people think Brian Anderson has the glove to be a long term starting 3B.

He’s really good in RF.

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Sierra has a sub .350 OPS

Being good in RF doesn't mean he's not also good at 3B.

[Lee Stone]

Chen - $16
Prado - $15
Castro - $12.8 (includes buyout)
Realmuto - $6.5 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Straily - $4.5 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Dietrich - $4 (arb 3, was a super 2, guesstimate)
Urena - $3.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Barraclough - $2.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Conley - $2.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Rojas - $2 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Likely club controlled everyone else $10 million
=$80 millionish

Cut - Guerra, Holaday (both in arbitration)

The keep everyone team for $80 millionish is this:

C - Realmuto, Wallach
1B - Dietrich
2B - Castro
SS - Rojas, Riddle
3B - Anderson, Prado
LF - Dean
CF - Brinson, Ortega
RF - Cooper

SP - Urena, Straily, Chen, Ca. Smith, Alcantara, Richards, Pablo
RP - Barraclough, Steckenrider, Guerrero, Wittgren
LP - Conley, Garcia


I think there are two courses of action to just jump in:

1 - Ditch literally everyone who makes money except Realmuto, sign Machado somehow and tell him 2019 is going to suck but 2020 will be better. Machado, Realmuto, and 23 club controlled players, plus whatever you ate on Prado and Chen.

2 - The realistic path, they have a ton of pitching worthy of spots so move one of Straily/Urena, and both Barraclough and Conley, free up $8-10 million, sign two corner outfielders on 1-2 year deals, DFA Prado and send Dean back to AAA to start 2019. He's not ready.

That gives them a fighting chance as there is optimism in youth with Brinson, Alcantara, Richards, Smith, Pablo, Diaz coming, etc.

You are a true optimist! On a AAA team for which Dean, Eric Campbell, Tomas Telis, and Peter Mooney all batted better than .300, Diaz struggled to hit .200. I've held out hope for Isan, but that's pretty well extinguished. Even all the other youthful "hopefuls" are longshots at best.

[Namaste]

I’m guilty of not looking at Anderson’s 3B defensive stats before making that post but I was just amazed at the error he made last night. He ole’d a ground ball like a 12U travel ball player would have.

It’s hard to get used to BA’s glove at 3B after having Prado for a few years.

[lou]

You are a true optimist! On a AAA team for which Dean, Eric Campbell, Tomas Telis, and Peter Mooney all batted better than .300, Diaz struggled to hit .200. I've held out hope for Isan, but that's pretty well extinguished. Even all the other youthful "hopefuls" are longshots at best.

I don't know how many times we can rinse/repeat that Campbell is 31, Telis is 27, Mooney 28, Dean 24.... and Diaz was 21/22 this season and was aggressively moved forward 2 minor league levels this year for his first exposure to upper levels. He is very young for AAA competition. At all times, he has been considered a better prospect then everyone in the Marlins AAA team at every stage of their career. Dean had worse numbers in lower levels at Dean's age, and he is the resounding "success" of the system this year (ignoring MLB of course, he was objectively pretty good in the minors).

All of this dramatically matters. Please understand a player's last 2 months of at bats aren't how you evaluate someone. Diaz is young, has a good walk rate, BABIP is a bit low, and if his AA line is what he does at the MLB level with solid defense, that's a really good starter and they hit on him in the trade. If he does even a little more, that's a quasi-star level player if that OBP is .370+ and he's jacking 20+ bombs. Maybe he doesn't work out, but "pretty well extinguished" is just another in the long line of ridiculous things you say here. Diaz is just getting started and the realist, not optimist, says let's see how he looks when he is 24.

I am curious also if you like Brinson now that his last 140 PA he has a .860 or so OPS? He was written off in May, but he's good again now right?

[Lee Stone]

"Please understand that the last two months of at bats aren't how you evaluate someone." Yet that's exactly what you are doing with Brinson after an even smaller sample, yes? Brinson still looks pretty silly at the plate to me.

[Nick]

Definitely more negatives than positives in Diaz's short AAA stint, but fish16 is correct he's still young he could break out like Anderson and Dean broke out, but I think there is a limited ceiling on both Anderson and Dean, and I think it might be the same case with Diaz. Brinson has made improvements, but I'm far from convinced he's gonna be that top prospect we thought he was when we got him. Next year is probably a make or break year for him. If he doesn't put up something a long the lines of .245/.300/.415, which would be quite the jump from this year, he's probably not starting for us in 2020. Yelich trade looks very bad right now, no doubt about it.

[tjfla]

I wouldnt count JT on our roster next year yet. Our FO is confident but everyone else in baseball thinks he is gone

Likely will see him dealt to Houston,Arizona or Colorado for a Yelich type package(3 or 4 ML Quality young players and a ML Ready C) and us sign Grandal

[Erick]

This team could make any fan indifferent.

[Namaste]

If the Marlins don’t get a Robles/Jimenez/Tucker/Bichette type in a hypothetical JT deal, they won’t be able to give tickets away in 2019.

[Lee Stone]

Definitely more negatives than positives in Diaz's short AAA stint, but fish16 is correct he's still young he could break out like Anderson and Dean broke out, but I think there is a limited ceiling on both Anderson and Dean, and I think it might be the same case with Diaz. Brinson has made improvements, but I'm far from convinced he's gonna be that top prospect we thought he was when we got him. Next year is probably a make or break year for him. If he doesn't put up something a long the lines of .245/.300/.415, which would be quite the jump from this year, he's probably not starting for us in 2020. Yelich trade looks very bad right now, no doubt about it.

Even those numbers would be hard to swallow for an everyday outfielder. I am similarly concerned about Alcantara. He's never impressed in the minors - I don't see him becoming a better pitcher in the majors. I was much more impressed by Neidert, Yamamoto, Beggs and Dugger.

[tjfla]

If the Marlins don’t get a Robles/Jimenez/Tucker/Bichette type in a hypothetical JT deal, they won’t be able to give tickets away in 2019.

Wash-Robles and Kieboom
Arizona-Duplantier/Pavin Smith/Jazz Chisholm or Leyba/Daulton Varsho
Col-Rodgers/Peter Lambert and more
Hou-Alvarez/Corbin Martin/Freudis Nova and more
NYY-Gary Sanchez and more
Oak-Luzardo/Sean Murphy/Lazarito OR Beck/SS Prospect

Reason why Washington is more expensive is because they are in NL East.

Yes if a team offered 1 of those names they would move to Top of the list but more likely we are looking at a 3 or 4 guy plus ML ready C type deal

[Lee Stone]

San Diego certainly has the goods to trade for Realmuto as well.

[rmc523]

This kid (on the broadcast) knows how to pick them......

Hech was his favorite Marlin, and now Brinson is his favorite...

How fitting - they gave him a Bryan Holaday signed ball.

[fish16]

Alcantara looking good again